Video of all of Ramsey's and Brunnell's passes against the Bears

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

So did Ramsey not have 7 starts last year?

Has that not been factored into the equation for Gibbs?

We're talking about two crappy QBs here, let's face it.

Why are some trying to hold Ramsey in such high regard?

yeah, and he won the same amount of games as Brunell did in 9. why is Brunell held in any regard? because of his distant past (in player terms)?

do you really think the differences in preseason account for betting TWO seasons on Brunell?

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Originally Posted by illdefined

yeah, and he won the same amount of games as Brunell did in 9. why is Brunell held in any regard? because of his distant past (in player terms)?

do you really think the differences in preseason account for betting TWO seasons on Brunell?

We might want to add to that that 3 of Ramseys games came against 2 of the best teams in the NFL Philli, and Pitt, and a playoff team in the vik's.


As for this pre-seaon justification for Brunell, HOGWASH!

Why did Gibbs name Ramsey his starter at the end of the regular season last year? Because he clearly outplayed Brunell when the games counted, we also heard how Ramsey starated to come on the last couple of games, we heard that all off season.

So now we are to believe after the chicago game where the Gibbs apologists have conjured up the latest excuse that we only won by 2 points and scored no TD's because Gibbs wanted it that way, because he didn't want anyone to know how we are going to just overwhelm Parcells and the Boy's with a game plan against one of the greatest coaches to ever grace the field in the NFL, so to do that we leave a team in the game and we are not a big play away, we are a decent play away from losing by a field goal?

Then these same people want to judge the pre season and start Brunell, as if Gibbs opened up the offense in the pre-season only to shut it down in the regular season, we already are finding out that in a regular season game WR's are running the wrong routes, nobody believes that the same was taking place in the pre season, while everyone got used to each other as well as a new system?

Those who don't learn from their mistakes are prone to repeat them.

Brunell beats out Ramsey last season and starts 9 games and proceeds to play the position quite possibly worse than anyone in the history of the NFL for 9 games.

Ramsey comes in and faces the toughest part of our schedule and wins the starting job as per the coaches statement with his play.

Then the pre season hits and Brunell is so overwhelming with his PRE-SEASON performance Gibbs can't wait to make the switch, he proceeds to throw for 70 yds. and direct the team to 3 big time field goals in almost 3 quarters of play, now Gibbs has a gut feeling, yea I have a gut feeling as well, GUESS?

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Originally Posted by offiss

we already are finding out that in a regular season game WR's are running the wrong routes, nobody believes that the same was taking place in the pre season, while everyone got used to each other as well as a new system?

How come whenever I, Matty, and others bring up players getting used to each other as well as a new system (and not only that, there was also an entirely new coaching staff) last season when Brunell was QB it's shot down "Oh Mark Brunell, all he does is dink and dunk, he sucks"

But then when it's Ramsey, suddenly it's all about WR's running wrong routes, players getting used to each other, new system. I don't know, I suppose if I was a genius like Ramsey allegedly is, I'd have the answer

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

How come whenever I, Matty, and others bring up players getting used to each other as well as a new system (and not only that, there was also an entirely new coaching staff) last season when Brunell was QB it's shot down "Oh Mark Brunell, all he does is dink and dunk, he sucks"

But then when it's Ramsey, suddenly it's all about WR's running wrong routes, players getting used to each other, new system. I don't know, I suppose if I was a genius like Ramsey allegedly is, I'd have the answer

Very simple Brunell had and I repeat 9 games [REGUALR SEASON GAMES], to gain continuity, with 11 weeks of practice as the #1 QB with his WR's and regressed as a QB, Ramsey has had 1 quarter, and was progressing within that very game before Gibbs gave him the hook.

Why is it that Ramsey isn't given the same opportunity this year as Brunell last year? It's not like Brunell is 24 years old, he is not the future, yet Ramsey is the one being treated like he's over the hill.

Anyone who wants to equate pre-seaon games with regular season games is just being foolish, no way you can simulate the game speed in the pre-season, especially under Gibbs, what did G. Williams do last off season? He put our defensive players in situations so that they would fail, yet how did that work out, we were far better in the regular season than the pre-season.

Where was Porits all pre-season? You don't think Gibbs was running plays to look at other players and evalute some the players around Ramsey, are you telling me Gibbs was coaching and creating continuity and calling the proper plays to accomplish that in the P-S, we already have people saying he's hiding our game plans in the regular season, your going to tell me he wasen't running a vanilla offense at BEST in the P-S? Your obviously entitled to your beliefs, that's more than fine by me, we are all different, but no way I am buying into it.