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Old 02-24-2014, 05:04 PM   #1
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If we signed Panthers free agents Greg Hardy and Mike Mitchell I would be ecstatic.

I would put Greg in a role similar to JJ Watt in our 3-4
I think they would be near perfect fits for our defense. Hardy would make it virtually impossible to contain our pass rush and Mitchell would anchor our secondary. Getting both of them would be a huge upgrade.

It would cost a bundle, though, and we have so many needs that it might not be realistic to think we could afford both of them.
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I think they would be near perfect fits for our defense. Hardy would make it virtually impossible to contain our pass rush and Mitchell would anchor our secondary. Getting both of them would be a huge upgrade.

It would cost a bundle, though, and we have so many needs that it might not be realistic to think we could afford both of them.
I agree that getting both would upgrade our defense greatly, but Mitchell is going to be resigned and Hardy will likely be tagged. I, too, would be ecstatic if we signed Mitchell, though; I think he has a lot of upside, and wouldn't cost as much as Ward.
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Old 02-24-2014, 10:59 PM   #3
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I agree that getting both would upgrade our defense greatly, but Mitchell is going to be resigned and Hardy will likely be tagged. I, too, would be ecstatic if we signed Mitchell, though; I think he has a lot of upside, and wouldn't cost as much as Ward.
Panthers have cap issues. Hardy wants a similar deal to what Charles Johnson got last year 6 years $76 mil. They can't afford both free agents, let alone both D-ends. To franchise Hardy it would cost $12 mil. Panthers also have 19 other players eligible for free agency.

Panthers have only $15 mil in cap space.
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Panthers have cap issues. Hardy wants a similar deal to what Charles Johnson got last year 6 years $76 mil. They can't afford both free agents, let alone both D-ends. To franchise Hardy it would cost $12 mil. Panthers also have 19 other players eligible for free agency.

Panthers have only $15 mil in cap space.
Thanks, that's good to know. Maybe Hardy or Mitchell will become free.
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Panthers have cap issues. Hardy wants a similar deal to what Charles Johnson got last year 6 years $76 mil. They can't afford both free agents, let alone both D-ends. To franchise Hardy it would cost $12 mil. Panthers also have 19 other players eligible for free agency.

Panthers have only $15 mil in cap space.
I hope you're right, and we do get a shot at signing Mitchell. I would much rather sign him than spend a draft pick on a safety.

On a different note, your new avatar is hilarious. If Gruden turns out to be the new Zorn, though, I'm going to blame you.
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Panthers have cap issues. Hardy wants a similar deal to what Charles Johnson got last year 6 years $76 mil. They can't afford both free agents, let alone both D-ends. To franchise Hardy it would cost $12 mil. Panthers also have 19 other players eligible for free agency.

Panthers have only $15 mil in cap space.
Not anymore. Try $29 million in cap space.

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The Panthers are approximately $29 million under the projected cap of $132 million and could be clearing room to re-sign or put a franchise tag on free-agent defensive end Greg Hardy.

Restructuring veteran trio’s contracts gives Carolina Panthers $7.25 million in cap space | CharlotteObserver.com
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If we signed Panthers free agents Greg Hardy and Mike Mitchell I would be ecstatic.

I would put Greg in a role similar to JJ Watt in our 3-4
You'd be foolish to pay big time money for a guy to play a different role in a different defensive scheme. People, you can't just plug players in a slot and expect the same results. You'd think you'd know that after the Adam Archuleta deal. Buying a square piece and smashing him into a round hole.

Hardy benefits from having a tremendous D-line.
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You'd be foolish to pay big time money for a guy to play a different role in a different defensive scheme. People, you can't just plug players in a slot and expect the same results. You'd think you'd know that after the Adam Archuleta deal. Buying a square piece and smashing him into a round hole.

Hardy benefits from having a tremendous D-line.
We took Cofield and Carriker out of different schemes and they've adjusted fine.

What is it about Hardy that makes him unfit for a 3-4 DE? He is 290 lbs. after all. IMO he could be a quick, penetrating 3-4 end which is precisely what we need.

Alas, he likely isn't going anywhere anyway.
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We took Cofield and Carriker out of different schemes and they've adjusted fine.

What is it about Hardy that makes him unfit for a 3-4 DE? He is 290 lbs. after all. IMO he could be a quick, penetrating 3-4 end which is precisely what we need.

Alas, he likely isn't going anywhere anyway.

Carriker was cheap, and Cofield wasn't that expensive. Cofield still isn't suited for the NT even though he's a hell of a job as a run stopper. We are talking about a 13mil+/yr salary for a guy you don't know will fit in your scheme. Comparing apples to oranges really.
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Carriker was cheap, and Cofield wasn't that expensive. Cofield still isn't suited for the NT even though he's a hell of a job as a run stopper. We are talking about a 13mil+/yr salary for a guy you don't know will fit in your scheme. Comparing apples to oranges really.
You sell Cofield short. Cofield has been a leading sacker from the NT position for a couple of years now. Cofield has thrived in a new scheme.

Moving from big 4-3 end to small 3-4 end is not as drastic as Archuleta's change. Hardy can kick ass in that role.
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You'd be foolish to pay big time money for a guy to play a different role in a different defensive scheme. People, you can't just plug players in a slot and expect the same results. You'd think you'd know that after the Adam Archuleta deal. Buying a square piece and smashing him into a round hole.

Hardy benefits from having a tremendous D-line.
Hopefully the whole practice of signing 4-3 players for our 3-4 defense went away with Shanny.
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Captain Munnerlyn would be a good target. He'd make a fine nickel back and return man....or could push Amerson in camp for the starter spot.
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Captain Munnerlyn would be a good target. He'd make a fine nickel back and return man....or could push Amerson in camp for the starter spot.
If Captain Munnerlyn were so good he'd be a Major by now.

p.s. My apologies for the bad joke. I couldn't help it because I've been waiting a while for the opportunity to say that.
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If Captain Munnerlyn were so good he'd be a Major by now.

p.s. My apologies for the bad joke. I couldn't help it because I've been waiting a while for the opportunity to say that.
Should of waited longer. LOL
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Old 02-26-2014, 10:13 AM   #15
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question to skins nation ,is eric winston a free agent this year? b,c if he is we might be able to sign him for a very afforable contract , and he is still one of the better rt tackles in the league..
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