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[NC_Skins]

Jay Gruden: 'Foolish' to make RGIII a pocket passer - NFL.com

"I'm not going to try to turn RGIII into Andy Dalton or Drew Brees. He isn't them. They're not him. I would be foolish to try to turn RGIII into a pocket passer. It would be foolish. The way he is as a runner, we have to take advantage of that. He strikes fear into defensive coordinators when he runs outside. I'm going to let him be himself."

So, he wants to use RGIII in a way that Shanahan did, which Robert absolutely hated. RGIII wants to be a pocket passer, and he hated the read option plays. Now you have a coach who's already not on the same page as his "franchise" QB in terms of direction. This is going to be a cluster fuck.


What the hell is with bringing all these guys in from Tampa Bay. Doug Williams? What exactly about his career (beyond player) as a coach/personnel guy that makes him qualified to be in this organization. We are NOT going in the right direction.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Jay Gruden: 'Foolish' to make RGIII a pocket passer - NFL.com




So, he wants to use RGIII in a way that Shanahan did, which Robert absolutely hated. RGIII wants to be a pocket passer, and he hated the read option plays. Now you have a coach who's already not on the same page as his "franchise" QB in terms of direction. This is going to be a cluster fuck.


What the hell is with bringing all these guys in from Tampa Bay. Doug Williams? What exactly about his career (beyond player) as a coach/personnel guy that makes him qualified to be in this organization. We are NOT going in the right direction.

He said 3-4 RO plays a game. Nothing crazy. Put away the jump to conclusions mat.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He said 3-4 RO plays a game. Nothing crazy. Put away the jump to conclusions mat.

Well his quote that trying to make RGIII a pocket passer is foolish doesn't square with what RGIII has in mind. This is what I'm referring to, not that we'll be running the RO often. Look, I've been hearing tweets from LL/httr24-7 even from 2012 about how Robert wanted to be known as a pocket passer and he wasn't down with using him as a runner. Something doesn't give here between the quote and RGIII wishes.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Jay Gruden: 'Foolish' to make RGIII a pocket passer - NFL.com




So, he wants to use RGIII in a way that Shanahan did, which Robert absolutely hated. RGIII wants to be a pocket passer, and he hated the read option plays. Now you have a coach who's already not on the same page as his "franchise" QB in terms of direction. This is going to be a cluster fuck.


What the hell is with bringing all these guys in from Tampa Bay. Doug Williams? What exactly about his career (beyond player) as a coach/personnel guy that makes him qualified to be in this organization. We are NOT going in the right direction.

Bruce Allen did some good things in Tampa Bay as the GM. He also had Oakland as a SB contender for many years. All around the league people bring in who they're comfortable with. Let's give it a chance.

As far as RG3...what does he do better at this point of his career? Stand in the pocket and be Tom Brady? Or run zone read option? I'm sure Gruden has plans to improve him in being a better passer but it would be silly not to use his mobility. RG3 also needs to just do what the coach says and keep his mouth shut. Wilson, Kap and Newton run read option. Are they complaining? No.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Jay Gruden: 'Foolish' to make RGIII a pocket passer - NFL.com




So, he wants to use RGIII in a way that Shanahan did, which Robert absolutely hated. RGIII wants to be a pocket passer, and he hated the read option plays. Now you have a coach who's already not on the same page as his "franchise" QB in terms of direction. This is going to be a cluster fuck.


What the hell is with bringing all these guys in from Tampa Bay. Doug Williams? What exactly about his career (beyond player) as a coach/personnel guy that makes him qualified to be in this organization. We are NOT going in the right direction.

but then there is this:

Now, a few days later, we hear Gruden singing a different tune.

"My goal in training camp is to see how much he can develop as a drop-back passer," Gruden told Dan Pompei on the Sports on Earth website. "Obviously he can do the rollouts and the naked bootlegs and all that. But let's see what he can do from the pocket, and if he can run from there, that's when he'll really get a lot of yards."

OK, then.

According to Pompei, Gruden still wants Griffin to run, but more as a last resort than as a first resort.

"It's a long season," Gruden said. "It's a 16-game grind. You don't want him getting hit 15, 20 times a game on read options. You have to keep your stars healthy. You don't want to put him at risk too much. But that's who he is. It's what he is as a quarterback. He's very effective in that regard."

The read-option plays that helped Griffin earn virtually all of the major 2012 offensive rookie of the year awards will stay in the playbook—Gruden’s version of them, anyway—but they will be used very sparingly.

"I don't anticipate running a lot of read option," Gruden said. "I think if you use it three or four times a game, you'll have more success than if you try to feature your whole offense around it. It's not just tough on the quarterback taking hits, it's tough on the tackles with their aiming points, where are they going. It's something you have to practice a lot to get very good at."

[That Guy]

RG3 needs to fix his footwork too, it was pretty terrible last year.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by whistler

Well said! All these young qb's stare first option, however, first option is usually an open wr. They run slants and rub routes that weren't in the playbook for RG, the offense in 2012 and 13 was an early 90's offense w/heavy read option. SF runs the same sets but they run power, have a top five defense, better receivers, and a functioning Specials Team.

Yep we don't have V Davis, or boldin on our team, those guys are a QBs dream

[KI Skins Fan]

Captain Fear, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers mascot, is rumored to be joining Bruce Allen's Washington Redskins staff in a similar capacity.

This move should complete the Redskins staff because, with the addition of Captain Fear, there will no longer be anyone who has ever worked for the Bucs who is not already working at Redskins Park.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Captain Fear, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers mascot, is rumored to be joining Bruce Allen's Washington Redskins staff in a similar capacity.

This move should complete the Redskins staff because, with the addition of Captain Fear, there will no longer be anyone who has ever worked for the Bucs who is not already working at Redskins Park.

Lol.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Captain Fear, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers mascot, is rumored to be joining Bruce Allen's Washington Redskins staff in a similar capacity.

This move should complete the Redskins staff because, with the addition of Captain Fear, there will no longer be anyone who has ever worked for the Bucs who is not already working at Redskins Park.

Great post, but we did miss a few key additions...










Hey...it's offseason already for us.

[Paintrain]

According to JLC Fred Davis is facing a 6 game drug suspension. Later for that clown.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

According to JLC Fred Davis is facing a 6 game drug suspension. Later for that clown.

He never learns. A big dummy.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Wilson is not a great passer. Look at his stats and remember that he has an offensive line and defense too.

Half his games are in the 40-50% completion rate range and the others are around 70%. He's not reliable and he's never asked to throw for more than 200 yards a game.

You , Me and quake are all in agreement on RW believe me

[Chico23231]

Russell Wilson, 4th in yards per attempts at 8.25, completion percentage 12th at 63.1, 7th highest rated QB 101.2, 9th in TD thrown at 26, and only 9 ints thrown. 539 rushing yards as well.

Id think we would take that. I guess im not following the not great passer talk, if anything he's proven to be certainly pretty good.

[Chico23231]

Funny thing is Russell Wilson numbers passing are much stronger than Luck's this year. Luck would be the knee jerk pick as best passer when thrown into the young QB discussion (Wilson, RG3, Kap, Luck).

And lets not talk about intangibles, thats why I would chose Wilson easily over Cutler, Romo, Dalton, A Smith, Schaub, etc.