The Super Bowl Thread

[FRPLG]

It should be made clear.

First off. "cheating" in major college football is ubiquitous. It is done in every program.

Second, he wasn't accused of anything, nor was the school. Reggie Bush, by himself, was the cause of sanctions at USC. Carroll jumped ship when he knew they were coming.

[MTK]

Peyton didn't lose the game on his own. That D was fierce and Denver was simply overmatched.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Peyton didn't lose the game on his own. That D was fierce and Denver was simply overmatched.

They went up against the greatest offense of all time point-wise and got dominanted in one of the greatest defensive performances in the history of the league. Lets not understate it.

Too not give Carroll credit is simply laughable.

[Lotus]

Last week Ruhskins said that the Seattle D was not getting enough respect. Boy was he right. Holy cow.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

One thing that stuck out was Marshawn Lynch got effing handled by the Broncos' defense. They committed to stopping Lynch and said "Wilson, beat us." And he did. Big game by Wilson, 88.1 QBR, 123 rating. Big on 3rd down. Shoulda had 3 TDs, got 2.

I'm sorry but Wilson didn't beat anyone. He played very well, but without Seattle's D, his offensive output doesn't beat Denver.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm sorry but Wilson didn't beat anyone. He played very well, but without Seattle's D, his offensive output doesn't beat Denver.

I agree with you . However I do think Wilson is a heck of a QB .

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Peyton didn't lose the game on his own. That D was fierce and Denver was simply overmatched.

I thought the SEA D-line did a great job just rushing four.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Peyton didn't lose the game on his own. That D was fierce and Denver was simply overmatched.

Exactly . Hard to believe so many people think that the QB is the sole reason for winning / losing . Joe Montana is remembered for his 4 Super Bowl wins , 2 blowouts and 1 big comeback . Montana should get praised for the great games , but SF was a better team than Cin. and far better than Denver & Miami. Now if you took Montana's 3 losses to NY 85 - 90 , and the loss to Minn. ( 87 ) , you would think he choked . It is a team game . Congrads to R. Wilson and that D .

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Peyton didn't lose the game on his own. That D was fierce and Denver was simply overmatched.

I think the main reason I was for Seattle in the Superbowl was all of the talk weeks before the Superbowl of "if Peyton Manning wins this super bowl he will be seen as the greatest QB of all time."
That is stupid. Not to mention how much that jinxed Manning.
I am tired of today's pass happy fans and media that do not understand the only reason all of these passing records are being broken is because of the rule changes created by the NFL in the last 10-20 years to promote passing (ratings), like you can not touch a receiver after 2.5 yards from line of scrimmage and many others to protect the Qb.
Individual stats and records are not big deal when you are throwing the more than any one ever has in the history of the game. Or that your teams is so one dimensional that you lose the big game. Winning Superbowl's trumps all individual stats and records.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I think the main reason I was for Seattle in the Superbowl was all of the talk weeks before the Superbowl of "if Peyton Manning wins this super bowl he will be seen as the greatest QB of all time."
That is stupid. Not to mention how much that jinxed Manning.
I am tired of today's pass happy fans and media that do not understand the only reason all of these passing records are being broken is because of the rule changes created by the NFL in the last 10-20 years to promote passing (ratings), like you can not touch a receiver after 2.5 yards from line of scrimmage and many others to protect the Qb.
Individual stats and records are not big deal when you are throwing the more than any one ever has in the history of the game. Or that your teams is so one dimensional that you lose the big game. Winning Superbowl's trumps all individual stats and records.

Exactly !

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I think the main reason I was for Seattle in the Superbowl was all of the talk weeks before the Superbowl of "if Peyton Manning wins this super bowl he will be seen as the greatest QB of all time."
That is stupid. Not to mention how much that jinxed Manning.
I am tired of today's pass happy fans and media that do not understand the only reason all of these passing records are being broken is because of the rule changes created by the NFL in the last 10-20 years to promote passing (ratings), like you can not touch a receiver after 2.5 yards from line of scrimmage and many others to protect the Qb.
Individual stats and records are not big deal when you are throwing the more than any one ever has in the history of the game. Or that your teams is so one dimensional that you lose the big game. Winning Superbowl's trumps all individual stats and records.

10-20, more like 35 years or so. It was the 1978 season where they made the head slap illegal. I remember the specific time because I was playing High School ball and most those type rules followed the pros. They also changed the way they called holding and illegal use of hands. 1977 and before a defender could hit a blocker in the head while the blocker had to keep his hands close to his jersey. Most O-lineman were coached to grab their own jersey while blocking to prevent being flagged. Also starting in 1978 you were only allowed to contact a receiver once, but still you could knock him down anywhere on the field as long as the ball wasn't in the air.

Do to these evolving rule changes favoring the offense you can only compare quarterbacks against their peers that played in the exact same time period. Quarterbacks were not protected if they stayed in the pocket back when Sonny Jurgensen played, roughing the passer was rarely called and you could hit them in the head, clothesline them and horse collar them. A 37 year old immobile Peyton Manning would have been watching the Super Bowl from a hospital bed or a wheelchair if the 2013 season was played under rules of the "dead ball" era. He probably would not have lasted 4 games.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

10-20, more like 35 years or so. It was the 1978 season where they made the head slap illegal. I remember the specific time because I was playing High School ball and most those type rules followed the pros. They also changed the way they called holding and illegal use of hands. 1977 and before a defender could hit a blocker in the head while the blocker had to keep his hands close to his jersey. Most O-lineman were coached to grab their own jersey while blocking to prevent being flagged. Also starting in 1978 you were only allowed to contact a receiver once, but still you could knock him down anywhere on the field as long as the ball wasn't in the air.

Do to these evolving rule changes favoring the offense you can only compare quarterbacks against their peers that played in the exact same time period. Quarterbacks were not protected if they stayed in the pocket back when Sonny Jurgensen played, roughing the passer was rarely called and you could hit them in the head, clothesline them and horse collar them. A 37 year old immobile Peyton Manning would have been watching the Super Bowl from a hospital bed or a wheelchair if the 2013 season was played under rules of the "dead ball" era. He probably would not have lasted 4 games.

Today's young fans and media don't get it. They throw around "greatest of all time" and they do not understand how much the rule changes favored today's QB's and receivers. It is not the same game. Not even close.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Today's young fans and media don't get it. They throw around "greatest of all time" and they do not understand how much the rule changes favored today's QB's and receivers. It is not the same game. Not even close.

I don't understand why the older guys in the media especially ex-players don't explain how the changes effected the game. Every other Redskin game I am working in my shop listening to the radio broadcast that Sonny Jurgensen is on. The only reference he makes to his playing days is when Griffin rips off a nice run he says "Just like I use to" (Sarcastically of course).

Believe it or not on the 49er Webzone where I came from the young guys actually think the QBs of days gone by were terrible and that "modern science" and evolution (Laughable, noticeable evolution in 40 years?) are the reason that 10 guys a year pass for more than 4,000 yards.

[Chico23231]

Kinda sad Peyton cant throw the ball deep anymore. Pretty evident last night. They pretty much dared him too with there safeties playing up all night.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Kinda sad Peyton cant throw the ball deep anymore. Pretty evident last night. They pretty much dared him too with there safeties playing up all night.

Peyton had the third highest average yards per pass attempt in the league. I'm sure if he didn't have the Seattle D-line all over him, he could have thrown a couple of deep ones.