Leonard Little issue

MTK · 04-27-2004, 10:47 PM

In Little's case, he shouldn't even look at a drink and then get behind the wheel after what he's been through.

SmootSmack · 04-27-2004, 11:00 PM

Well this is a bit of a sensitive issue for me because one of my best friends just started a 15 year sentence for vehicular homicide. He did what I'm sure many of us have done. He had a few drinks, figured home was close enough and got behind the wheel. Unfortunately he killed someone.

He regrets it and feels he has to serve time as penance but no matter how many years he serves he can't bring back the victim's life. What he can do is never touch another drink and then drive again. And I hope that when he gets out that's what he does. It's a shame Little didn't see fit to make that choice.

redwagonskins · 04-27-2004, 11:00 PM

Banned for Life. Period. There is a father out there who can't see his daughter and this guy is racking up millions and apparently could give a f***! It's time for some accountability here.

redwagonskins · 04-27-2004, 11:02 PM

This statement is of course in light of the fact that it's his second offense. Obviously mistakes can be made but you have to demonstrate that you will not do it again. Getting busted a second time after such a heinous act is unbelievable.

redwagonskins · 04-27-2004, 11:03 PM

I agree. What, this guy can't afford a car service? Nobody in his entourage can stay sober?

hi-jinx · 04-27-2004, 11:29 PM

That kinda reminds me, does any body remember what happened to the Cowboy player who ran down 3 people last year?

sportscurmudgeon · 04-27-2004, 11:37 PM

First of all, Leonard Little is not yet guilty of his second DWI. Please repeat after me:

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law...

Now, IF he is found guilty of DWI on this occasion after his previous DWI that resulted in the death of another human being, then he should be banned from the NFL permanently and sentenced to whatever the maximum penalty that the law allows in the jurisdiction where he commited this violation.

Oh, by the way, it does not matter what his blood alchohol level was. If he is convicted of DWI, there will have to be convincing evidence introduced to show that he was over the legal limit in that area.

But, please reserve some measure of "presumption of innocence" at this point.

redwagonskins · 04-27-2004, 11:42 PM

sportscrumudgeon, it's like you're in tune with Law & Order or something. Ok, you are right, if he is found GUILTY then ban him. it's hard to give the benefit of the doubt to a guy who already killed someone but you are definitely correct.

Defensewins · 04-28-2004, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

First of all, Leonard Little is not yet guilty of his second DWI. Please repeat after me:
Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law...
Now, IF he is found guilty of DWI on this occasion after his previous DWI that resulted in the death of another human being, then he should be banned from the NFL permanently and sentenced to whatever the maximum penalty that the law allows in the jurisdiction where he commited this violation.
Oh, by the way, it does not matter what his blood alchohol level was. If he is convicted of DWI, there will have to be convincing evidence introduced to show that he was over the legal limit in that area.
But, please reserve some measure of "presumption of innocence" at this point.

Good point about presumption of innocence. Mr. Little could be found not guilty on a technicality. For example if the chain of custody on evidence like blood from a blood test to determine his sobriety was broken. Or if he was not read his rights when he was arrested. A good lawyer can get him off if one mistake was made and you know he will have the best representation money can buy. I remember Bruce Smith was found not guilty in VA beach several years ago.
However it would have to be a technicality to get him off. I know very little about Mr. Little's arrest. I read he was pulled over for speeding, at which point the officer determined he was under the influence. The fact he was initially pulled over for speeding will prevent his lawyer from claiming he was needlessly pulled over.
Mr. Little either failed a breath test, blood test or refused to submit to one of these tests.
Either way it does not look good unless the police made a mistake.

skinsfanthru&thru · 04-27-2004, 11:42 PM

this is sad and pathetic. not to pass blame but where r his friends and family trying to give him some reinforcement against his obvious drinking problem. he should have his license revoked for atleast 2-3 years, mandatory counciling, a severe fine, several hundred hours of community service, and possibly even some jail time especially if this violated his probation. he'll be suspended from the league w/o pay for a full season by the nfl, possibly longer, during which time he should do whatever it takes to fix his life. u would think the horrible tragedy 5 years ago would have steered him completely away from alcohol, but all i can say is thank goodness no one was hurt this time.

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SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Well this is a bit of a sensitive issue for me because one of my best friends just started a 15 year sentence for vehicular homicide. He did what I'm sure many of us have done. He had a few drinks, figured home was close enough and got behind the wheel. Unfortunately he killed someone. He regrets it and feels he has to serve time as penance but no matter how many years he serves he can't bring back the victim's life. What he can do is never touch another drink and then drive again. And I hope that when he gets out that's what he does. It's a shame Little didn't see fit to make that choice. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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04-27-2004, 10:47 PM	#1
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,121	In Little's case, he shouldn't even look at a drink and then get behind the wheel after what he's been through.

04-27-2004, 11:00 PM	#3
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	Banned for Life. Period. There is a father out there who can't see his daughter and this guy is racking up millions and apparently could give a f***! It's time for some accountability here.

04-27-2004, 11:02 PM	#4
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	This statement is of course in light of the fact that it's his second offense. Obviously mistakes can be made but you have to demonstrate that you will not do it again. Getting busted a second time after such a heinous act is unbelievable.

04-27-2004, 11:03 PM	#5
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	I agree. What, this guy can't afford a car service? Nobody in his entourage can stay sober?

04-27-2004, 11:29 PM	#6
hi-jinx Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Memphis Age: 51 Posts: 180	That kinda reminds me, does any body remember what happened to the Cowboy player who ran down 3 people last year?

04-27-2004, 11:37 PM	#7
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	First of all, Leonard Little is not yet guilty of his second DWI. Please repeat after me: Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law... Now, IF he is found guilty of DWI on this occasion after his previous DWI that resulted in the death of another human being, then he should be banned from the NFL permanently and sentenced to whatever the maximum penalty that the law allows in the jurisdiction where he commited this violation. Oh, by the way, it does not matter what his blood alchohol level was. If he is convicted of DWI, there will have to be convincing evidence introduced to show that he was over the legal limit in that area. But, please reserve some measure of "presumption of innocence" at this point.

04-27-2004, 11:42 PM	#8
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	sportscrumudgeon, it's like you're in tune with Law & Order or something. Ok, you are right, if he is found GUILTY then ban him. it's hard to give the benefit of the doubt to a guy who already killed someone but you are definitely correct.

04-27-2004, 11:42 PM	#10
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 46 Posts: 3,815	this is sad and pathetic. not to pass blame but where r his friends and family trying to give him some reinforcement against his obvious drinking problem. he should have his license revoked for atleast 2-3 years, mandatory counciling, a severe fine, several hundred hours of community service, and possibly even some jail time especially if this violated his probation. he'll be suspended from the league w/o pay for a full season by the nfl, possibly longer, during which time he should do whatever it takes to fix his life. u would think the horrible tragedy 5 years ago would have steered him completely away from alcohol, but all i can say is thank goodness no one was hurt this time.

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