Fixing the Secondary

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by whistler

Skins need to utilize the talent that they have:
cut/release: Merriweather
sign: FS
resign: Hall
Build with: Crawford, Amerson, Minnefield. Biggers, Thomas, Rambo

Improve the players that are here, give them an opportunity to get better, and put them in position to be good

Minnefield ? What has he done in the NFL

[whistler]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

Minnefield ? What has he done in the NFL

Minnefield is a good player that hasn't been fully healthy. That's why they over paid him to be on the development squad last year. He has good instincts although not as big as I'd like but, is good in run support and coverage.
If he can't make the roster this year then cut him but, given the opportunity I think he can be a good one.
There are players that need to get on the field, Shanahan had his favorites, that's the only reason J Wilson was playing, in my opinion.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Brandon Meriweather was our best safety last year, as well as the defense's stupidest hitter. I think the wisest move at SS is to sign a fairly cheap vet(Chris Clemons)and let them compete for the starting spot. Meriweather played quite well near the end of this season.

I fixed that for you.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I fixed that for you.

That's another way of putting it, yes. But a safety who has the ability to light up a receiver is a good thing.

[Skins4L]

Nahhh Doughty people?? Lol let him walk. Its time. Do we wanna fix this or not??

Resign Hall, Meriweather.
Add Verner & Byrd... omg... we could rely on Kerrakpo to force qb mistakes and were dominant. Big Barry still fills our gap up the middle still. Let Riley do his thing. Ends would be our concern but theres some cheap options we could look at.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Skins4L

Nahhh Doughty people?? Lol let him walk. Its time. Do we wanna fix this or not??

Resign Hall, Meriweather.

Reed is a back up. Why do you guys keep referring to him as if we're talking about a starting position. I seriously doubt you'll find a better backup safety than RD.


Anybody who advocates re-signing BM should be laughed at.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Reed is a back up. Why do you guys keep referring to him as if we're talking about a starting position. I seriously doubt you'll find a better backup safety than RD.


Anybody who advocates re-signing BM should be laughed at.

Exactly.....why would you want to release one of our best backups?
Hes also a class act, if his jersey ever goes on sale I'm grabbing one.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Skins4L

Nahhh Doughty people?? Lol let him walk. Its time. Do we wanna fix this or not??

Resign Hall, Meriweather.
Add Verner & Byrd... omg... we could rely on Kerrakpo to force qb mistakes and were dominant. Big Barry still fills our gap up the middle still. Let Riley do his thing. Ends would be our concern but theres some cheap options we could look at.

You have guys like Reed, so you *don't* have guys like Biggers or worse coming into games and giving up TDs. (I'd keep Biggers until we actually have a better player to take his place too.) The good teams backups for regular rotations during the game, and for injuries. Reed's been a solid player for us. This myopic view of "He's not a super star, CUT HIM!!", is one reason we sucked in the past, and is still affecting us today. That doesn't mean say Seattle has a starting caliber guy backing up every starter, most of their backups are guys like Reed, guys who can fill in. That's how that Pats kept going this season, how the Packers won their last SB. Their backups didn't become superstars, they came in, hustled, and got the job done even though they got beat individually more than a regular starter would.

Now, if we get enough guys to beat Doughty on the depth chart, sure cut him. Right now we only have four safeties on the roster at redskins.com, and Doughty's currently the best of the bunch, lol. We do need to give Thomas and Rambo PT and hopefully they develop into starting roles.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Now, if we get enough guys to beat Doughty on the depth chart, sure cut him. Right now we only have four safeties on the roster at redskins.com, and Doughty's currently the best of the bunch, lol. We do need to give Thomas and Rambo PT and hopefully they develop into starting roles.

Wasn't Reed Doughty the Captain of our Special Teams? He was definitely one of the few ST players who was adequate. The ST's killed us last year. It was obvious that Mike Shanahan paid little attention to that part of game when he finalized his roster. That can't happen again.

My point is, if I had anything to do with selecting players for the final roster, any reserve safety would have to be good on ST's to beat out Reed Doughty.

We need to get to the point where players who aren't starters make the team based on their ability to play ST - not as a tie-breaker but as a requirement of the job.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Wasn't Reed Doughty the Captain of our Special Teams? He was definitely one of the few ST players who was adequate. The ST's killed us last year. It was obvious that Mike Shanahan paid little attention to that part of game when he finalized his roster. That can't happen again.

My point is, if I had anything to do with selecting players for the final roster, any reserve safety would have to be good on ST's to beat out Reed Doughty.

We need to get to the point where players who aren't starters make the team based on their ability to play ST - not as a tie-breaker but as a requirement of the job.

Excellent argument.

[diehardskin2982]

I would like to keep Doughty for special teams and as a serviceable back up. We need a hard hitting strong safety and a knowledgeable ball hawking free safety.
I would not be opposed to signing a player like Ryan Clark to teach Phillip Thomas and Rambo the nuances of playing in the Steelers 3-4. That is the defense that our D is based on.

[KI Skins Fan]

I would go all out to sign Jairus Byrd. He is easily the best FS (and one of the best players) available in FA. Signing him would provide a huge upgrade to our secondary.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I would go all out to sign Jairus Byrd. He is easily the best FS (and one of the best players) available in FA. Signing him would provide a huge upgrade to our secondary.

There's a few problems with signing a big name FA like Bryd or Verner. If you sign one of those guys, plus resign Orakpo and Riley, that's a huge chunk of cap space gone. I'm no cap expert, but that would be well over half the available space. And you still have a lot of players to resign, and a lot of other units to upgrade. Now, I'm in favor of pursuing Verner, but I don't know how wise it would be.

The other thing is that in a few years we're going to need some cap space available to resign Griffin. We might not want to have multiple other huge contracts.

[Jayroc24]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

There's a few problems with signing a big name FA like Bryd or Verner. If you sign one of those guys, plus resign Orakpo and Riley, that's a huge chunk of cap space gone. I'm no cap expert, but that would be well over half the available space. And you still have a lot of players to resign, and a lot of other units to upgrade. Now, I'm in favor of pursuing Verner, but I don't know how wise it would be.

The other thing is that in a few years we're going to need some cap space available to resign Griffin. We might not want to have multiple other huge contracts.

I agree, while the secondary is a huge concern the primary focus has to be the o line. If we don't give RG3 some time we are only going to get worse.

[Jayroc24]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

There's a few problems with signing a big name FA like Bryd or Verner. If you sign one of those guys, plus resign Orakpo and Riley, that's a huge chunk of cap space gone. I'm no cap expert, but that would be well over half the available space. And you still have a lot of players to resign, and a lot of other units to upgrade. Now, I'm in favor of pursuing Verner, but I don't know how wise it would be.

The other thing is that in a few years we're going to need some cap space available to resign Griffin. We might not want to have multiple other huge contracts.

I agree, while the secondary is a huge concern the primary focus has to be the o line. If we don't give RG3 some time we are only going to get worse.