WR Andre Roberts has agreed to deal with Redskins

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

His deal isn't a cap killer, nor is it a backloaded deal in the sense of skyrocketing cap charges. His base salary, dead cap and cap savings per year of his deal is :
Year
2012 $2,100,000 $13,100,000 ($8,400,000)
2013 $5,600,000 $8,800,000 ($615,625)
2014 $7,100,000 $6,600,000 $3,100,000
2015 $7,100,000 $4,400,000 $5,300,000
2016 $7,600,000 $2,200,000 $8,000,000

That's a consistent base salary, which indicates a team is looking to count on him, and not be forced into a decision based on outrageous base or cap numbers.

Can save $5.3 million to release or $7.5 million with a post June 1 designation.

$5 MM AAV can get you a better receiver than Garcon on the open market in most years. Plus: they're going to draft someone from a loaded WR class who is going to need someone to get released from the rotation in order to get increased reps.

It's a no brainer.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Can save $5.3 million to release or $7.5 million with a post June 1 designation.

$5 MM AAV can get you a better receiver than Garcon on the open market in most years. Plus: they're going to draft someone from a loaded WR class who is going to need someone to get released from the rotation in order to get increased reps.

It's a no brainer.

You are always so self-assured in your opinions yet they are so often completely detached from reality.

Garcon led the NFL in receptions this year, GTripp. Go spout your know-it-all bullshit somewhere else.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

You are always so self-assured in your opinions yet they are so often completely detached from reality.

Garcon led the NFL in receptions this year, GTripp. Go spout your know-it-all bullshit somewhere else.

Edelman was second, no?

Are you giving him 10 million a season?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Edelman was second, no?

Are you giving him 10 million a season?

The slot WR in Brady's offense is a terrible comparison and you know it.

Secondly, I don't mind people being wrong, but when you're a know-it-all blowhard AND you're wrong, then I hate it. You need to just shut the fuck up and here's why.

Last year Garcon's cap number was $8.2M in a season when the cap was $123M. In other words he occupied 6.7% of the team's cap space.

This year with the cap at $133M and his cap number at $9.7M, he will occupy 7.3% of the team's cap space.

Next year and the year after, when you're proposing the team cut him, he will occupy less % of space than he will this year. Next year his cap number will be $9.7M or 6.9% of an estimated $140M cap. And in 2016 he will have a cap number of $10.2M, or 6.8% of an estimated $150M cap. And the cap may actually go up faster than that, making those %s even lower.

Again, currently 7.3% of the cap. Next year, 6.9% of the cap. 2016, 6.8% of the cap. And that's if they decide not to restructure any of that base salary and extend him.

Just shut the fuck up. He's an integral part of the team, one of the best players we have, Griffin's favorite target by far. He's not going anywhere. Now please just go away.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The slot WR in Brady's offense is a terrible comparison and you know it.

Secondly, I don't mind people being wrong, but when you're a know-it-all blowhard AND you're wrong, then I hate it. You need to just shut the fuck up and here's why.

Last year Garcon's cap number was $8.2M in a season when the cap was $123M. In other words he occupied 6.7% of the team's cap space.

This year with the cap at $133M and his cap number at $9.7M, he will occupy 7.3% of the team's cap space.

Next year and the year after, when you're proposing the team cut him, he will occupy less % of space than he will this year. Next year his cap number will be $9.7M or 6.9% of an estimated $140M cap. And in 2016 he will have a cap number of $10.2M, or 6.8% of an estimated $150M cap. And the cap may actually go up faster than that, making those %s even lower.

Again, currently 7.3% of the cap. Next year, 6.9% of the cap. 2016, 6.8% of the cap. And that's if they decide not to restructure any of that base salary and extend him.

Just shut the fuck up. He's an integral part of the team, one of the best players we have, Griffin's favorite target by far. He's not going anywhere. Now please just go away.

Weird, because I hate that too! I guess we're pretty similar.

And you'll hate to find out how meaningless it is to lead the league in receptions when people think that matters! Do it on fewer targets, and then you'll really impress me. High efficiency is sexy.

Here's the thing, he's an integral part of a past team. I respect your salary cap percentage argument, though even you would admit that it's comparing apples to oranges given how much the Redskins spent in terms of cash in 2013 vs. 2015 projections. The marginal value of the cap space will be very relevant, and that's what matters.

You want to bet on Garcon being on this team next season? Cool. You can do that. It's a dumb bet, and no one is going to remember this anyway.

[Ruhskins]

So back to Andre Roberts...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

So back to Andre Roberts...

Can't talk about other team's players, that's tampering.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Weird, because I hate that too! I guess we're pretty similar.

And you'll hate to find out how meaningless it is to lead the league in receptions when people think that matters! Do it on fewer targets, and then you'll really impress me. High efficiency is sexy.

Here's the thing, he's an integral part of a past team. I respect your salary cap percentage argument, though even you would admit that it's comparing apples to oranges given how much the Redskins spent in terms of cash in 2013 vs. 2015 projections. The marginal value of the cap space will be very relevant, and that's what matters.

You want to bet on Garcon being on this team next season? Cool. You can do that. It's a dumb bet, and no one is going to remember this anyway.

Cash is irrelevant, cap is the constraint for the Redskins, not cash. Cash is an issue for teams like the Bengals and Bills, not us.

As for marginal value, you're forgetting about the contract inflation that comes along with an increasing cap. When 2015 hits and the cap is $140M or higher, a $10M cap number for a highly effective WR will not seem bad in comparison. In fact I don't think you'll be able to find a single better value among the players who hit the open market next year.

As for a bet, yes I'll take it with you any day, he will absolutely be a Redskin in 2015. I think people around here will look forward to seeing you proved wrong a lot more than you think.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Cash is irrelevant, cap is the constraint for the Redskins, not cash. Cash is an issue for teams like the Bengals and Bills, not us.

As for marginal value, you're forgetting about the contract inflation that comes along with an increasing cap. When 2015 hits and the cap is $140M or higher, a $10M cap number for a highly effective WR will not seem bad in comparison. In fact I don't think you'll be able to find a single better value among the players who hit the open market next year.

As for a bet, yes I'll take it with you any day, he will absolutely be a Redskin in 2015. I think people around here will look forward to seeing you proved wrong a lot more than you think.

That bolded thing is the truest thing you've said today.

Look, if he earns an extension, then I'm flat wrong. Wouldn't be the first or last time. But if he plays at a level unworthy of an extension, he's a cap casualty. That's just good cap management, which you've lauded this team before. So if you think they'll continue to show good cap management...then I don't understand how you can't see how safe my position is here.

All of that would have been the case if the Shanahan's were still in charge, but it's a regime that isn't responsible for his contract. So...yeah, connect the dots whenever.

By the way, when I actually am wrong, I enjoy people poking fun at how dumb I am. Makes me feel important.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Weird, because I hate that too! I guess we're pretty similar.

And you'll hate to find out how meaningless it is to lead the league in receptions when people think that matters! Do it on fewer targets, and then you'll really impress me. High efficiency is sexy.

Here's the thing, he's an integral part of a past team. I respect your salary cap percentage argument, though even you would admit that it's comparing apples to oranges given how much the Redskins spent in terms of cash in 2013 vs. 2015 projections. The marginal value of the cap space will be very relevant, and that's what matters.

You want to bet on Garcon being on this team next season? Cool. You can do that. It's a dumb bet, and no one is going to remember this anyway.

$100.00 Right here, right now says, barring a new (not just a recurrence of the plantar faciiitis) PG is on the team next year. I don't care how you mark it down, hold me to it, etc. if right, you can remind the entire WP.

$100 cash money.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

$100.00 Right here, right now says, barring a new (not just a recurrence of the plantar faciiitis) PG is on the team next year. I don't care how you mark it down, hold me to it, etc. if right, you can remind the entire WP.

$100 cash money.

3 2 1 ...... to GT back peddling. Won't put his money where his mouth is. Book it!

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The slot WR in Brady's offense is a terrible comparison and you know it.

Secondly, I don't mind people being wrong, but when you're a know-it-all blowhard AND you're wrong, then I hate it. You need to just shut the fuck up and here's why.

Last year Garcon's cap number was $8.2M in a season when the cap was $123M. In other words he occupied 6.7% of the team's cap space.

This year with the cap at $133M and his cap number at $9.7M, he will occupy 7.3% of the team's cap space.

Next year and the year after, when you're proposing the team cut him, he will occupy less % of space than he will this year. Next year his cap number will be $9.7M or 6.9% of an estimated $140M cap. And in 2016 he will have a cap number of $10.2M, or 6.8% of an estimated $150M cap. And the cap may actually go up faster than that, making those %s even lower.

Again, currently 7.3% of the cap. Next year, 6.9% of the cap. 2016, 6.8% of the cap. And that's if they decide not to restructure any of that base salary and extend him.

Just shut the fuck up. He's an integral part of the team, one of the best players we have, Griffin's favorite target by far. He's not going anywhere. Now please just go away.