WR Andre Roberts has agreed to deal with Redskins

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Edelman was second, no?

Are you giving him 10 million a season?

The slot WR in Brady's offense is a terrible comparison and you know it.

Secondly, I don't mind people being wrong, but when you're a know-it-all blowhard AND you're wrong, then I hate it. You need to just shut the fuck up and here's why.

Last year Garcon's cap number was $8.2M in a season when the cap was $123M. In other words he occupied 6.7% of the team's cap space.

This year with the cap at $133M and his cap number at $9.7M, he will occupy 7.3% of the team's cap space.

Next year and the year after, when you're proposing the team cut him, he will occupy less % of space than he will this year. Next year his cap number will be $9.7M or 6.9% of an estimated $140M cap. And in 2016 he will have a cap number of $10.2M, or 6.8% of an estimated $150M cap. And the cap may actually go up faster than that, making those %s even lower.

Again, currently 7.3% of the cap. Next year, 6.9% of the cap. 2016, 6.8% of the cap. And that's if they decide not to restructure any of that base salary and extend him.

Just shut the fuck up. He's an integral part of the team, one of the best players we have, Griffin's favorite target by far. He's not going anywhere. Now please just go away.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The slot WR in Brady's offense is a terrible comparison and you know it.

Secondly, I don't mind people being wrong, but when you're a know-it-all blowhard AND you're wrong, then I hate it. You need to just shut the fuck up and here's why.

Last year Garcon's cap number was $8.2M in a season when the cap was $123M. In other words he occupied 6.7% of the team's cap space.

This year with the cap at $133M and his cap number at $9.7M, he will occupy 7.3% of the team's cap space.

Next year and the year after, when you're proposing the team cut him, he will occupy less % of space than he will this year. Next year his cap number will be $9.7M or 6.9% of an estimated $140M cap. And in 2016 he will have a cap number of $10.2M, or 6.8% of an estimated $150M cap. And the cap may actually go up faster than that, making those %s even lower.

Again, currently 7.3% of the cap. Next year, 6.9% of the cap. 2016, 6.8% of the cap. And that's if they decide not to restructure any of that base salary and extend him.

Just shut the fuck up. He's an integral part of the team, one of the best players we have, Griffin's favorite target by far. He's not going anywhere. Now please just go away.

Weird, because I hate that too! I guess we're pretty similar.

And you'll hate to find out how meaningless it is to lead the league in receptions when people think that matters! Do it on fewer targets, and then you'll really impress me. High efficiency is sexy.

Here's the thing, he's an integral part of a past team. I respect your salary cap percentage argument, though even you would admit that it's comparing apples to oranges given how much the Redskins spent in terms of cash in 2013 vs. 2015 projections. The marginal value of the cap space will be very relevant, and that's what matters.

You want to bet on Garcon being on this team next season? Cool. You can do that. It's a dumb bet, and no one is going to remember this anyway.

[Ruhskins]

So back to Andre Roberts...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

So back to Andre Roberts...

Can't talk about other team's players, that's tampering.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Can't talk about other team's players, that's tampering.

I believe you've been tampered with.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Weird, because I hate that too! I guess we're pretty similar.

And you'll hate to find out how meaningless it is to lead the league in receptions when people think that matters! Do it on fewer targets, and then you'll really impress me. High efficiency is sexy.

Here's the thing, he's an integral part of a past team. I respect your salary cap percentage argument, though even you would admit that it's comparing apples to oranges given how much the Redskins spent in terms of cash in 2013 vs. 2015 projections. The marginal value of the cap space will be very relevant, and that's what matters.

You want to bet on Garcon being on this team next season? Cool. You can do that. It's a dumb bet, and no one is going to remember this anyway.

Cash is irrelevant, cap is the constraint for the Redskins, not cash. Cash is an issue for teams like the Bengals and Bills, not us.

As for marginal value, you're forgetting about the contract inflation that comes along with an increasing cap. When 2015 hits and the cap is $140M or higher, a $10M cap number for a highly effective WR will not seem bad in comparison. In fact I don't think you'll be able to find a single better value among the players who hit the open market next year.

As for a bet, yes I'll take it with you any day, he will absolutely be a Redskin in 2015. I think people around here will look forward to seeing you proved wrong a lot more than you think.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Cash is irrelevant, cap is the constraint for the Redskins, not cash. Cash is an issue for teams like the Bengals and Bills, not us.

As for marginal value, you're forgetting about the contract inflation that comes along with an increasing cap. When 2015 hits and the cap is $140M or higher, a $10M cap number for a highly effective WR will not seem bad in comparison. In fact I don't think you'll be able to find a single better value among the players who hit the open market next year.

As for a bet, yes I'll take it with you any day, he will absolutely be a Redskin in 2015. I think people around here will look forward to seeing you proved wrong a lot more than you think.

That bolded thing is the truest thing you've said today.

Look, if he earns an extension, then I'm flat wrong. Wouldn't be the first or last time. But if he plays at a level unworthy of an extension, he's a cap casualty. That's just good cap management, which you've lauded this team before. So if you think they'll continue to show good cap management...then I don't understand how you can't see how safe my position is here.

All of that would have been the case if the Shanahan's were still in charge, but it's a regime that isn't responsible for his contract. So...yeah, connect the dots whenever.

By the way, when I actually am wrong, I enjoy people poking fun at how dumb I am. Makes me feel important.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

That bolded thing is the truest thing you've said today.

Look, if he earns an extension, then I'm flat wrong. Wouldn't be the first or last time. But if he plays at a level unworthy of an extension, he's a cap casualty. That's just good cap management, which you've lauded this team before. So if you think they'll continue to show good cap management...then I don't understand how you can't see how safe my position is here.

All of that would have been the case if the Shanahan's were still in charge, but it's a regime that isn't responsible for his contract. So...yeah, connect the dots whenever.

By the way, when I actually am wrong, I enjoy people poking fun at how dumb I am. Makes me feel important.

That's not respect you're earning. It's resentment. You might think you're giving well thought out opinions, but the problem is you present yourself like an ass and people hate it. A good portion of the forum skips your posts. The others either want to see you knocked down a peg, or in my case, are just big enough assholes to go out of their way to do it.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

That's not respect you're earning. It's resentment. You might think you're giving well thought out opinions, but the problem is you present yourself like an ass and people hate it. A good portion of the forum skips your posts. The others either want to see you knocked down a peg, or in my case, are just big enough assholes to go out of their way to do it.

And that's why I respect you.

I'm aware of all of this by the way. But historically, people don't skip over my posts, that's false. Check the amount of people in this room right now.

I wasn't comfortable with this back in the day, but I had two choices, either 1) change my writing style to conform to the sensibilities of others, or 2) just keep doing my thing and not really give a damn how the internet perceives me.

I just don't mind that I offend people. It isn't intentional. But I accept responsibility for it.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

And that's why I respect you.

I'm aware of all of this by the way. But historically, people don't skip over my posts, that's false. Check the amount of people in this room right now.

I wasn't comfortable with this back in the day, but I had two choices, either 1) change my writing style to conform to the sensibilities of others, or 2) just keep doing my thing and not really give a damn how the internet perceives me.

I just don't mind that I offend people. It isn't intentional. But I accept responsibility for it.

You are right in saying you are the reason why so many are viewing this thread. Just not for the reason you think. I'll leave it at that.

Anyway, 4pm is almost here and I'm tired of dealing with you. I'm ready to open a beer and some free agency Christmas presents.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Weird, because I hate that too! I guess we're pretty similar.

And you'll hate to find out how meaningless it is to lead the league in receptions when people think that matters! Do it on fewer targets, and then you'll really impress me. High efficiency is sexy.

Here's the thing, he's an integral part of a past team. I respect your salary cap percentage argument, though even you would admit that it's comparing apples to oranges given how much the Redskins spent in terms of cash in 2013 vs. 2015 projections. The marginal value of the cap space will be very relevant, and that's what matters.

You want to bet on Garcon being on this team next season? Cool. You can do that. It's a dumb bet, and no one is going to remember this anyway.

$100.00 Right here, right now says, barring a new (not just a recurrence of the plantar faciiitis) PG is on the team next year. I don't care how you mark it down, hold me to it, etc. if right, you can remind the entire WP.

$100 cash money.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

$100.00 Right here, right now says, barring a new (not just a recurrence of the plantar faciiitis) PG is on the team next year. I don't care how you mark it down, hold me to it, etc. if right, you can remind the entire WP.

$100 cash money.

3 2 1 ...... to GT back peddling. Won't put his money where his mouth is. Book it!

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by mredskins

3 2 1 ...... to GT back peddling. Won't put his money where his mouth is. Book it!

GT is so f'ing annoying. Loves going against the masses. Its what he does. I just ignore him.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The slot WR in Brady's offense is a terrible comparison and you know it.

Secondly, I don't mind people being wrong, but when you're a know-it-all blowhard AND you're wrong, then I hate it. You need to just shut the fuck up and here's why.

Last year Garcon's cap number was $8.2M in a season when the cap was $123M. In other words he occupied 6.7% of the team's cap space.

This year with the cap at $133M and his cap number at $9.7M, he will occupy 7.3% of the team's cap space.

Next year and the year after, when you're proposing the team cut him, he will occupy less % of space than he will this year. Next year his cap number will be $9.7M or 6.9% of an estimated $140M cap. And in 2016 he will have a cap number of $10.2M, or 6.8% of an estimated $150M cap. And the cap may actually go up faster than that, making those %s even lower.

Again, currently 7.3% of the cap. Next year, 6.9% of the cap. 2016, 6.8% of the cap. And that's if they decide not to restructure any of that base salary and extend him.

Just shut the fuck up. He's an integral part of the team, one of the best players we have, Griffin's favorite target by far. He's not going anywhere. Now please just go away.