What's up with the cops these days?

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

You are watching too much television. Anything more powerful than a .22 LR (The next step up from a pellet gun) will go through a car door, they are a thin sheet metal skin on very open thicker sheet metal frame. Hiding behind a car door in a shootout isn't much better than a cardboard box. Most people who acquire their knowledge of ballistics from Hollywood movies won't know this.

Barking up the wrong tree Bobby. I've actually never been to Hollywood, however, I have been to Ft. Leornard Wood in Missouri. While there I went to Army basic training, after basic I went to the Military police school. While there, wait for it, I was trained as a police officer. And on top of that training, I also have quite a bit of in field experience in Baghdad, Iraq.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

Barking up the wrong tree Bobby. I've actually never been to Hollywood, however, I have been to Ft. Leornard Wood in Missouri. While there I went to Army basic training, after basic I went to the Military police school. While there, wait for it, I was trained as a police officer. And on top of that training, I also have quite a bit of in field experience in Baghdad, Iraq.

If you would hide behind a cop car door and feel safe you must have been asleep in class or playing with your cell phone. Cop cars don't have anymore structural reinforcement in the body than a car off the dealer lot. Look at the Bonnie and Clyde death car. Cars in the 30's had a lot thicker metal than 21st century ones and bullets went right through the doors. No formal training but I shoot crap all the time right out in the back yard. Next time someone tells you hiding behind a car door is safe tell them to stand behind one while you shoot at it.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

If you would hide behind a cop car door and feel safe you must have been asleep in class or playing with your cell phone. Cop cars don't have anymore structural reinforcement in the body than a car off the dealer lot. Look at the Bonnie and Clyde death car. Cars in the 30's had a lot thicker metal than 21st century ones and bullets went right through the doors. No formal training but I shoot crap all the time right out in the back yard. Next time someone tells you hiding behind a car door is safe tell them to stand behind one while you shoot at it.

A car door is more than just sheet metal. There are rods, levers, and other metal within it. The sheet metal will most likely stop lower powered guns, but certainly not the higher powered ones. That said, those doors will still slow those bullets down, and it'll mean a lot if those officers are wearing bullet proof vests (as they should be). In the end, some protection is better than none.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

A car door is more than just sheet metal. There are rods, levers, and other metal within it. The sheet metal will most likely stop lower powered guns, but certainly not the higher powered ones. That said, those doors will still slow those bullets down, and it'll mean a lot if those officers are wearing bullet proof vests (as they should be). In the end, some protection is better than none.

Episode 27 - Will it Stop a Bullet (Car Door) -...

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Episode 27 - Will it Stop a Bullet (Car Door) - YouTube

Unlike what most of the anti-gun crowd believe the AK-47 has no more power and usually less (depending on ammo) than your average hunting rifle. So the same type rifles people hunt deer with (30-30, 30-06, etc) will go through that door also. I would be curious what ammo they were using with the 9mm, pretty sure with the right ammo it will also go through that door. I have shot through water heaters (4 pieces of sheet metal plus insulation) motor cycle gas tanks (thicker than car door sheet metal) computer towers (through the sheet metal and side ways through floppys and hard drives) with a .357 and they are basically the same diameter bullet and with stronger loads the 9mm are pretty close to the .357 in velocity tests.

As for hiding behind doors, does anyone remember the law enforcement shootout with Christopher Dorner? That happened in Southern California in 2013 so maybe it wasn't big news here. He was firing from a cabin in the woods and there were more than a dozen cops. The smart cops were hiding behind trees, the second smartest behind fronts of cars with an engine compartment between them and the shooter. Still had a few using car doors and truck beds as shields. Who trained those guys? There were plenty of trees left to hide behind and your average rifle bullet will only go a few inches into a live tree.

[Giantone]

Florida Police Officer Fatally Shot, Suspects' Bodies Found Nearby - NBC News

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

I have been to Ft. Leornard Wood in Missouri.

Ahhhhh , Fort Lost in the Woods !