The Bad News Thread

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think your judgment in posting these photos on the internet tells me all that I need to know about your potential for management.

For one, you don't know my capabilities nor what I would do if I were management. Secondly, I wouldn't have to post pictures or call out anybody on the internet because this kind of shit wouldn't be going on under my watch. So I would make a bad manager because I call out the people that allow it to happen? That's like when people attacked Edward Snowden for exposing what the government was doing. Oh, let's blame the guy who ratted them out.



Lastly, I don't give a fuck. I'm sick and tired of sitting back watching these guys with very good salaries take advantage of the state and other co-workers.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

For one, you don't know my capabilities nor what I would do if I were management. Secondly, I wouldn't have to post pictures or call out anybody on the internet because this kind of shit wouldn't be going on under my watch. So I would make a bad manager because I call out the people that allow it to happen? That's like when people attacked Edward Snowden for exposing what the government was doing. Oh, let's blame the guy who ratted them out.



Lastly, I don't give a fuck. I'm sick and tired of sitting back watching these guys with very good salaries take advantage of the state and other co-workers.

I know you are going to get mad but here it comes anyway. Two wrongs don't make a right and what you did (are doing) is wrong, you have no idea what is going on in this mans life and unless you do you should stay out of it ,or at least keep it in office .Sorry but trying to justify it and say they are taking advantage of others or the state is BS.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

For one, you don't know my capabilities nor what I would do if I were management. Secondly, I wouldn't have to post pictures or call out anybody on the internet because this kind of shit wouldn't be going on under my watch. So I would make a bad manager because I call out the people that allow it to happen? That's like when people attacked Edward Snowden for exposing what the government was doing. Oh, let's blame the guy who ratted them out.



Lastly, I don't give a fuck. I'm sick and tired of sitting back watching these guys with very good salaries take advantage of the state and other co-workers.

You work for the state? Jesus, effing amazing.

Artmonk, that effing sux man. My neighbor been dealing with his company with same issues for the last 2 years. Bush/Obama economy man, fuckin sucks.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

You work for the state? Jesus, effing amazing.

Artmonk, that effing sux man. My neighbor been dealing with his company with same issues for the last 2 years. Bush/Obama economy man, fuckin sucks.

I thought the same thing.

NC, I think the issue is posting pics online with identifying and derogatory comments anywhere on the internet are just setting yourself up for failure.

Hypothetical, one of your co-workers develops a grudge against either you, or the guy in the chair. They know you are a Skins fan and lurk on the site to see if they can find something. From there they take that post and report you. You have just opened yourself,and the state, up to a whole other level of legal implications. Even without the pictures you some action might be possible, but that guy could go after you for libel, and as you know very well, the truth doesn't always win out.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

You work for the state? Jesus, effing amazing.

That would be correct. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy my job and most of the people are hard working people that do right. It's just 3 out of the bunch that really make everybody else look bad. I blame my boss more than I do them at this point because he allows it. This is the thing though, my boss is 62 years old and has various health issues. He's going to retire in the next 5 years so he's pretty much coasting during this time. He doesn't want to deal with it so he just ignores it and hopes it goes away. As long as the other guys are carrying their load, he simply doesn't give a fuck. That's what happens when people get close to that retirement age. The good thing about him is he's easy going with his demeanor. He's not a raging asshole and pretty easy to get along with and talk to.

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I thought the same thing.

NC, I think the issue is posting pics online with identifying and derogatory comments anywhere on the internet are just setting yourself up for failure.

Hypothetical, one of your co-workers develops a grudge against either you, or the guy in the chair. They know you are a Skins fan and lurk on the site to see if they can find something. From there they take that post and report you. You have just opened yourself,and the state, up to a whole other level of legal implications. Even without the pictures you some action might be possible, but that guy could go after you for libel, and as you know very well, the truth doesn't always win out.

First off, nobody would know which Redskins site I visit. They'd then have to know my handle. Lastly, they would then have to look under that exact thread to see the pictures.


Take the post and report me for what? Exposing NC state workers for being bums and stealing from the state of NC? I assure you, I have enough evidence and witnesses to bury anybody above me should they ever want to act. Here is the problem. All three of these guys are falsifying their time sheets(automatic termination) which have to be signed by our boss each month. Our boss KNOWS those time sheets are falsified, yet he signs them anyway. Now, there is more than enough evidence to prove our boss is signing those time sheets knowing they aren't correct, and you think I would be the one in trouble?...lol We have these people on camera going into the ABC store during working hours, leaving early, and other assorted things.

I assure you, I'm not worried about what I wrote up there, nor am I worried about a libel suit. That isn't opinion based writing. It's factual writing that can be corroborated by witnesses and evidence. In fact, they better hope the god my (or another persons) blood doesn't reach the point where an anonymous email is sent to the NC auditors. I've never seen management jump quite like do when the auditors roll in.

Also, I'm not worried about my co-workers. I have a great working relationship with them, and they are also in on the emails/jokes that go around. They pretty much feel like I do. It's basically 3 guys doing all this out of a group of about 15. The rest of the crew are hard working guys that do what they are supposed to do. It's just those 3 are enough to make the environment toxic.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

For one, you don't know my capabilities nor what I would do if I were management. Secondly, I wouldn't have to post pictures or call out anybody on the internet because this kind of shit wouldn't be going on under my watch. So I would make a bad manager because I call out the people that allow it to happen? That's like when people attacked Edward Snowden for exposing what the government was doing. Oh, let's blame the guy who ratted them out.



Lastly, I don't give a fuck. I'm sick and tired of sitting back watching these guys with very good salaries take advantage of the state and other co-workers.

I'm making no comment on your work situation, which by all rights sounds like it's deserving of the bad news thread. I feel for you on that. But I'm in a management position, and if I found any of my employees posting pictures on the internet of the workplace, they'd be fired that very day. It's just a big no-no. Can't do it.

As for your situation, that does suck. Bosses need to create a work environment that encourages everyone to pull their weight and then some. Sounds like your boss isn't. Hope you're looking for another place to work where you can make a bigger difference.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'm making no comment on your work situation, which by all rights sounds like it's deserving of the bad news thread. I feel for you on that. But I'm in a management position, and if I found any of my employees posting pictures on the internet of the workplace, they'd be fired that very day. It's just a big no-no. Can't do it.

As for your situation, that does suck. Bosses need to create a work environment that encourages everyone to pull their weight and then some. Sounds like your boss isn't. Hope you're looking for another place to work where you can make a bigger difference.

I wouldn't post it on a place that is very visible or easily found. Nobody knows who I am, and there are other Redskins fans in the building.

Thing is, my employer can't fire me for simply posting photos of a person sleeping on the job. Now if I were to post some racist comment or tweet from my social media site, that may be a bit different.

Also, maybe we should question YOUR management skills if you would instantly fire a person for posting a photo of a person at work. It's sad the whistleblowers catch more heat than the people doing wrong.


Not looking for another job. My boss is going to retire within a few years so we won't have to deal with it much longer. The 93K a year wiring manager is retiring in July so that's one gone from the mix. The good thing for me though is I don't have anything tying me down so I can pack up and move if I want. I like my job and I enjoy working for my alma mater. That said, I'm just frustrated this kind of crap goes on.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I wouldn't post it on a place that is very visible or easily found. Nobody knows who I am, and there are other Redskins fans in the building.

Thing is, my employer can't fire me for simply posting photos of a person sleeping on the job. Now if I were to post some racist comment or tweet from my social media site, that may be a bit different.

Also, maybe we should question YOUR management skills if you would instantly fire a person for posting a photo of a person at work. It's sad the whistleblowers catch more heat than the people doing wrong.


Not looking for another job. My boss is going to retire within a few years so we won't have to deal with it much longer. The 93K a year wiring manager is retiring in July so that's one gone from the mix. The good thing for me though is I don't have anything tying me down so I can pack up and move if I want. I like my job and I enjoy working for my alma mater. That said, I'm just frustrated this kind of crap goes on.

Clearly you don't have the strongest understanding of legal liability. Posting this on the Internet with the level of descriptiveness you did exposes you to the possibility of charges of libel. Like you say, nobody will probably find out. But the reason I question your judgment is you clearly haven't thought through the cost/benefit here. What do you gain out of doing this? Venting? That's an emotional decision and shows you're too reactionary to ever be considered for management duties where thinking before pressing send isn't just a suggestion, it's required.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Clearly you don't have the strongest understanding of legal liability. Posting this on the Internet with the level of descriptiveness you did exposes you to the possibility of charges of libel. Like you say, nobody will probably find out.

I assure you, I think before I act on anything. I'm pretty analytical about stuff and I'm quite aware of the situation. Hell, I work in a field dictated on logic. Libel. That would mean something I said is false. Well considering I have the evidence and people to back up the statements, I'd say what I said was the truth. Libel is when the statements are false. Maybe JR can roll into here and shed some light on the legal aspect of it. I mean hell, if Dan Snyder didn't have a shot in hell at winning against Dave McKenna on the piece he wrote, what's the odds on some bum winning against what I said? I told you, we have evidence (which we save) of these wrongdoings. Pictures, camera footage, falsified documents....and so on.

Originally Posted by Schneed10

But the reason I question your judgment is you clearly haven't thought through the cost/benefit here. What do you gain out of doing this? Venting? That's an emotional decision and shows you're too reactionary to ever be considered for management duties where thinking before pressing send isn't just a suggestion, it's required.

Venting? Nah. At this point, you have to laugh at the shit. It's comical, which is why we take these pictures send them to other co-workers so we can laugh. Quite frankly, I don't even care at this point. What are they going to do to me? Fire me? /laugh

It would be very hard for them to do that with the type of damning information I hold. They would slit their own throat in doing so. If my superior wants to lose his job as well, by all means have at it. Besides, I've only seen four people fired in the 10+ years I've worked with the state. Even one of those had a chance to resign the final day because they didn't want to fire him. He chose poorly.

The only thing that doesn't make me management material is that I can't cover up shit, nor sit on things that aren't right. I can't lie to my co-workers and blow smoke up their ass. If that is what it takes to be a "management material", I can honestly say I'm a much better person than any manager out there. Besides, who gives a fuck about being a manager? I certainly don't. My sense of self worth isn't defined by a title, salary or promotion.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I assure you, I think before I act on anything. I'm pretty analytical about stuff and I'm quite aware of the situation. Hell, I work in a field dictated on logic. Libel. That would mean something I said is false. Well considering I have the evidence and people to back up the statements, I'd say what I said was the truth. Libel is when the statements are false. Maybe JR can roll into here and shed some light on the legal aspect of it. I mean hell, if Dan Snyder didn't have a shot in hell at winning against Dave McKenna on the piece he wrote, what's the odds on some bum winning against what I said? I told you, we have evidence (which we save) of these wrongdoings. Pictures, camera footage, falsified documents....and so on.




Venting? Nah. At this point, you have to laugh at the shit. It's comical, which is why we take these pictures send them to other co-workers so we can laugh. Quite frankly, I don't even care at this point. What are they going to do to me? Fire me? /laugh

It would be very hard for them to do that with the type of damning information I hold. They would slit their own throat in doing so. If my superior wants to lose his job as well, by all means have at it. Besides, I've only seen four people fired in the 10+ years I've worked with the state. Even one of those had a chance to resign the final day because they didn't want to fire him. He chose poorly.

The only thing that doesn't make me management material is that I can't cover up shit, nor sit on things that aren't right. I can't lie to my co-workers and blow smoke up their ass. If that is what it takes to be a "management material", I can honestly say I'm a much better person than any manager out there. Besides, who gives a fuck about being a manager? I certainly don't. My sense of self worth isn't defined by a title, salary or promotion.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Clearly you don't have the strongest understanding of legal liability. Posting this on the Internet with the level of descriptiveness you did exposes you to the possibility of charges of libel. Like you say, nobody will probably find out. But the reason I question your judgment is you clearly haven't thought through the cost/benefit here. What do you gain out of doing this? Venting? That's an emotional decision and shows you're too reactionary to ever be considered for management duties where thinking before pressing send isn't just a suggestion, it's required.

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I assure you, I think before I act on anything. I'm pretty analytical about stuff and I'm quite aware of the situation. Hell, I work in a field dictated on logic. Libel. That would mean something I said is false. Well considering I have the evidence and people to back up the statements, I'd say what I said was the truth. Libel is when the statements are false. Maybe JR can roll into here and shed some light on the legal aspect of it. I mean hell, if Dan Snyder didn't have a shot in hell at winning against Dave McKenna on the piece he wrote, what's the odds on some bum winning against what I said? I told you, we have evidence (which we save) of these wrongdoings. Pictures, camera footage, falsified documents....and so on.

Both Schneed10's and NCSkin's statements are true.

Statements impugning someone's character that are false are, in general, actionable. The picture itself could be cause for a claim of "false light" - taking a true statement/photo out of context to impugn a person's character.

Based on the picture and his description, is NC open to charges of libel? Yup.

If everything NC says is true and he has the evidence to back it up, then, after depositions, document discovery and subpoenas for records, he will likely prevail after a motion for summary judgment. However, if the other side can bring in enough to make any of the various factual (not opinion) statements a question of fact that reasonable people could differ on, then it would go to trial if even on a limited basis.

As a State employee, it is unlikely the State is open to any sort of suit based on this because posting on a football website is clearly outside the scope of NC's duties even if he does so in business hours. The same would likely be true for any employer although some of the statements imply that the higher ups know of the behavior. So a suit against them would be unlikely to survive a motion to dismiss but just might.

Given the anonymity of the internet, someone would need to have some real desire to bring suit. If they did, had an ax to grind, and found out NC's identity, a lawsuit would ensue.

Based just on the statements posted and the pictures specifically identifying the guy, any such lawsuit drafted by a reasonably competent attorney would survive a Motion to Dismiss because to do so all you have to do is state a legal basis for recovery: NC made defamatory statements about me, they are false, I am entitled to damages. The dispute is not legal but factual. Accepting that what NC says is true (and I, a State employee also, do) NC would prevail in the end, but only after retaining an attorney, paying for depositions, paying for the attorney to draft & argue a motion for judgment, and, possibly, going to court.

It would take a driven plaintiff, but proving you are correct could turn into an expensive proposition -- I have a case where a former employee is suing the employer for asking him to resign after he sexually assaulting another person at the office. He will lose because he is wrong, and I will have great fun arguing to the jury - but it is costing my client a ton to prove it.

... and that is my two cents. You can send my retainer through my paypal account.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Given the anonymity of the internet, someone would need to have some real desire to bring suit. If they did, had an ax to grind, and found out NC's identity, a lawsuit would ensue.

Thank you for the breakdown. Let's not forget this gem as well.


http://rt.com/usa/ip-constitute-pers...ight-suit-973/


To be sure this ruling would apply to pretty much everything else eh?