Cousins Open to Trade.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

So since I like playing devils advocate...let's say Griffin struggles with the new offense, struggles and gets off to a slow start, or doesn't play well. Then what? What's the plan? Colt McCoy? Does that 3rd rounder for Cousins on the bench backing up Polumbus help? Or is the season lost and we get into the Jameis Winston sweepstakes?

At this point I can't say Colt is not a down grade from Kirk. Yeah maybe if Kyle was still here and Kirk knew the offense he have an edge over Colt. I just don't see the head and shoulders above talent of Kirk over Colt.

I think a lot of folks on here over rate Kirk.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by mredskins

At this point I can't say Colt is not a down grade from Kirk. Yeah maybe if Kyle was still here and Kirk knew the offense he have an edge over Colt. I just don't see the head and shoulders above talent of Kirk over Colt.

I think a lot of folks on here over rate Kirk.

I agree.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mredskins

At this point I can't say Colt is not a down grade from Kirk. Yeah maybe if Kyle was still here and Kirk knew the offense he have an edge over Colt. I just don't see the head and shoulders above talent of Kirk over Colt.

I think a lot of folks on here over rate Kirk.

I was hoping the Cult of Kirk would end after his meh performance at the end of the season. guess not

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I was hoping the Cult of Kirk would end after his meh performance at the end of the season. guess not

Exactly.

Let's say Kirk stays and Colt beats him out of the 2nd string job; Does anyone think that would be Sportscenter Breaking News worthy?

I will say it now and I will eat crow if it changes. I predict Jason Campbell will have had a better career then Kirk Cousins by the time it is all said and done.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Exactly.

Let's say Kirk stays and Colt beats him out of the 2nd string job; Does anyone think that would be Sportscenter Breaking News worthy?

I will say it now and I will eat crow if it changes. I predict Jason Campbell will have had a better career then Kirk Cousins by the time it is all said and done.

I think they are gonna let Cousins go where he has a chance to compete. We need to trade him before he gets into any actual competitions. Losing to Colt or proving to be only slightly better than Colt would kill his trade value.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

I think they are gonna let Cousins go where he has a chance to compete. We need to trade him before he gets into any actual competitions. Losing to Colt or proving to be only slightly better than Colt would kill his trade value.

I don't dispute this, although Kirk does have a better arm than Colt and that's a very important distinction to make in the NFL. Yet, to discount Kirk's upside (and therefore his trade value) at this point would be a rush to judgement, IMO.

I'd say that Kirk is like a garage kept 2012 Nissan Altima with only one previous owner compared to Colt who is like a 2010 Dodge Caravan with two previous owners but a clean Carfax report.

I made my other points about Kirk's trade value and I stick with them. No way would I trade him for less than a high third round pick.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Exactly.

Let's say Kirk stays and Colt beats him out of the 2nd string job; Does anyone think that would be Sportscenter Breaking News worthy?

I will say it now and I will eat crow if it changes. I predict Jason Campbell will have had a better career then Kirk Cousins by the time it is all said and done.

I completely agree with you.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I completely agree with you.

The funny thing is that if Cousins was in this draft based off his college career there would be serious talk about him being the first QB taken, is that an indictment on this class? Yes, yes it is.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

The funny thing is that if Cousins was in this draft based off his college career there would be serious talk about him being the first QB taken, is that an indictment on this class? Yes, yes it is.

That's taking it way, way too far. Kirk Cousins lasted to the top of the 4th round in 2012 for several reasons, and only one of which was that it was a great QB class. He had a big turnover problem in college, had a so-so arm, and was projected as a game-manager in the NFL. Without his great intangibles and a coach that fell in love with his game, he likely would've lasted much longer, maybe as late as late 5th/early 6th. In this draft, it's not a stretch to suggest that he would be taken in the 3rd or thereabouts, but to say he would be competing with the likes of Johnny Manziel and Teddy Bridgewater as the top QB available is, in my opinion, ludicrous.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

That's taking it way, way too far. Kirk Cousins lasted to the top of the 4th round in 2012 for several reasons, and only one of which was that it was a great QB class. He had a big turnover problem in college, had a so-so arm, and was projected as a game-manager in the NFL. Without his great intangibles and a coach that fell in love with his game, he likely would've lasted much longer, maybe as late as late 5th/early 6th. In this draft, it's not a stretch to suggest that he would be taken in the 3rd or thereabouts, but to say he would be competing with the likes of Johnny Manziel and Teddy Bridgewater as the top QB available is, in my opinion, ludicrous.

No, no it's not, the 2012 QB class was the deepest since 83, this class has no separation from the guys who are "lock" 1st rounders to the guys who are mid to late 3rd rounders. If KC was in this draft there would be tqalk about him being the first QB taken. Would be be? Who knows, but to dismiss that notion based off of what round he went in in his class is a little ignorant.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Exactly.

Let's say Kirk stays and Colt beats him out of the 2nd string job; Does anyone think that would be Sportscenter Breaking News worthy?

I will say it now and I will eat crow if it changes. I predict Jason Campbell will have had a better career then Kirk Cousins by the time it is all said and done.

That's not setting the QB career bar that high, lol. But who really cares what either does on other teams, as long as they don't light things up?

I predict that even after we used a much lower draft pick getting Cousins than Campbell (who we also traded up for), we'll receive a better draft pick trading Cousins than we did Campbell.

Seriously, the sooner we never talk again about that underachieving disappointment at QB from the Gibbs/Zorn years, the better. He got outplayed by Todd Collins, for crying out loud.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

That's not setting the QB career bar that high, lol. But who really cares what either does on other teams, as long as they don't light things up?

I predict that even after we used a much lower draft pick getting Cousins than Campbell (who we also traded up for), we'll receive a better draft pick trading Cousins than we did Campbell.

Seriously, the sooner we never talk again about that underachieving disappointment at QB from the Gibbs/Zorn years, the better. He got outplayed by Todd Collins, for crying out loud.

Yeah he did but Collins had also been in the offense longer too. I honestly feel bad for JC. I mean the guy had to learn a new offense every year his entire career, never had the opportunity to learn and grow with one coach. Not saying he ever would have been a top QB, but he had ZERO chance here. Anyhow, always liked JC. Seems like a real good dude who never openly said anything bad about the organization when he certainly could have. Just a class act.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Yeah he did but Collins had also been in the offense longer too. I honestly feel bad for JC. I mean the guy had to learn a new offense every year his entire career, never had the opportunity to learn and grow with one coach. Not saying he ever would have been a top QB, but he had ZERO chance here. Anyhow, always liked JC. Seems like a real good dude who never openly said anything bad about the organization when he certainly could have. Just a class act.

Coach Killer.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Yeah he did but Collins had also been in the offense longer too. I honestly feel bad for JC. I mean the guy had to learn a new offense every year his entire career, never had the opportunity to learn and grow with one coach. Not saying he ever would have been a top QB, but he had ZERO chance here. Anyhow, always liked JC. Seems like a real good dude who never openly said anything bad about the organization when he certainly could have. Just a class act.

A new offense every year? Didn't Campbell have the Al Saunders/Joe Gibbs offense for two years (2006-7), and Jim Zorn two years (2008-9)?

Zero chance? Weren't the Redskins a playoff capable team in 2007 (when Collins stepped in), and a team that ran the ball down opponents throat in 2008, until teams saw they could stack the box against us?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

A new offense every year? Didn't Campbell have the Al Saunders/Joe Gibbs offense for two years (2006-7), and Jim Zorn two years (2008-9)?

Zero chance? Weren't the Redskins a playoff capable team in 2007 (when Collins stepped in), and a team that ran the ball down opponents throat in 2008, until teams saw they could stack the box against us?

Gibbs and Saunders did not really have the same offense.