Vox.com: How NFL teams ignore basic economics and draft players irrationally.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Who says RGIII is a franchise QB? Beyond one year in a gimmicky offense, what has he shown you that leads you to believe he's a franchise QB? It's a bit premature to be calling him one right now. Let's give it a couple more years.

Fair point. I am operating under the assumption he is - because the only year that he didn't show franchise QB qualities was the one in which he was recovering from a devastating knee injury. Excuse, maybe. But if he looks dynamite again this year now that he's healthy, everyone and his brother will firmly believe he's a bonafide franchise guy.

But you're right, until that happens it's early to jump the gun.

In general I agree with the notion that more picks = better. But the one exception to that is QB, I believe. Transcendant QBs can be worth giving up multiple picks because of the significance of their position.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Giantone

So he showed a pic of Eli and one of Rivers and said it wasn't worth it or the Chargers made out on the deal ,how? Rivers while better season stats ,hasn't had a whiff of a super bowl ,while Eli on the other hand has brought the Giants 2 ,intangibles and chemistry ,two things that people still don't think matter .

If Rivers played for the Giants all these years he might have three. Eli did not win those superbowls the defense did. Rivers is the better QB , but Eli plays for the better team.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by punch it in

If Rivers played for the Giants all these years he might have three. Eli did not win those superbowls the defense did. Rivers is the better QB , but Eli plays for the better team.

Nope , with the heat that Eli has taken , just from Tiki and Shocky when he first got there Rivers would have been crying for ever .The D played well because Eli stepped up .

[That Guy]

if rg3 wins a superbowl and the rams don't...

still way too early to judge.

[irish]

Originally Posted by That Guy

if rg3 wins a superbowl and the rams don't...

still way too early to judge.

I agree. Its still way too early to tell if the RG3 trade was worth it.

[irish]

I do find it interesting that almost everything this article says a team should do the Skins dont do. Maybe that's why they have been so bad for so long.

[NC_Skins]

I think some of you are missing the big picture. It's not just about the RGIII trade. It's about increasing your chances of succeeding, and you can do that through having more draft picks. Egotistical front offices burn their picks for a coveted player while the smarter ones (with good scouting) gather additional picks to have more chances of hitting that home run.

The draft is one big lottery. It's a crap shoot. A 1st rounder could easily bust, and a 6th rounder could become a hall of famer. Again, which would you rather have? One lottery ticket or five lottery tickets? Which one will give you a higher chance at winning the lottery? (clue: it's the five tickets)

Smart front offices keep their picks or trade them for more picks. Bad front offices trade their picks for particular players.

[takethecake]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Smart front offices keep their picks or trade them for more picks. Bad front offices trade their picks for particular players.

Yes, this is the takeaway. A supplement to this is the philosophy of letting your UFAs walk instead of overpaying to keep them. A compensatory pick and cap space almost always puts you in a better spot than paying dannell ellerbe $7 mil/year lol. Likewise, some teams are vastly better than others at realizing when a player's nearing the end, and recouping some value for them via trade. If you want to be a successful GM in the nfl, following those two tenets will get you a long way.

And for the record, you can't declare winners and losers in the rg3 trade yet, and especially not via division titles. Pretty sure the NFC east doesn't have the 49ers and seahawks...

[TenandSix:Unacceptable]

Originally Posted by takethecake

Yes, this is the takeaway. A supplement to this is the philosophy of letting your UFAs walk instead of overpaying to keep them. A compensatory pick and cap space almost always puts you in a better spot than paying dannell ellerbe $7 mil/year lol. Likewise, some teams are vastly better than others at realizing when a player's nearing the end, and recouping some value for them via trade. If you want to be a successful GM in the nfl, following those two tenets will get you a long way.

And for the record, you can't declare winners and losers in the rg3 trade yet, and especially not via division titles. Pretty sure the NFC east doesn't have the 49ers and seahawks...

I've been saying this for years and the primo examples for me we're Jon Jansen and Randy Thomas.

I will also agree with the 'mo picks 'mo better philosophy, however I believe going after QB is perhaps the exception. I think the first thing you do when you are building a team is go out and get your QB. And not wait. Do the research and get your number one choice whatever it takes. We did that with RG3 and it was about damn time and I'm OK with it if it fails. I just hope they have the stones to do it again if it does.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Smart front offices keep their picks or trade them for more picks. Bad front offices trade their picks for particular players.

That's is one opinion and there are situations that prove it wrong .

[Chico23231]

St. Louis has finished last in the west twice and third once. No playoffs, since the trade. Hasn't helped them

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

How NFL teams ignore basic economics and draft players irrationally - Vox

I thought this was a very good article about the draft and how trading picks usually ends up being a very bad thing. It's also why I was against trading so much for RGIII a couple years ago.


I found this quote by Eric DeCosta to be the key to it all.





You want to know the difference between good teams and bad ones? Bad ones trade their picks away for gambles, while the smart ones know that it's a numbers game.

That is an interesting quote when you consider it comes from one of the most respected and I would say a very successful front office. One thing the Ravens do not do very often is trade picks away.

[JWsleep]

Sure, more picks gives you a better shot at getting good players. But let's not forget how bad our FO has been over the years even when they did have picks. Remember Vinnie's 3 second round picks, all busts--Fred may still play somewhere, but the other two were just awful. My feeling is we've neglected scouting for a long time. It's an institutional failing. We just don't seem to care that much about it or we think it's pretty easy to do. Maybe that's beginning to change with Allen, but we'll see. (Fingers crossed!)

[Evilgrin]

You have to seperate QB trades from everything else.

Trading a pick for Jason Taylor was not smart, trading a pick for TJ Duckett not smart... Trading Champ Bailey + a Pick for CP, not the best trade. I'd be inclined to never let the skins trade picks. In this era where QBs can make such a difference, you can't say no.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Evilgrin

You have to seperate QB trades from everything else.

Trading a pick for Jason Taylor was not smart, trading a pick for TJ Duckett not smart... Trading Champ Bailey + a Pick for CP, not the best trade. I'd be inclined to never let the skins trade picks. In this era where QBs can make such a difference, you can't say no.

Preach