Vox.com: How NFL teams ignore basic economics and draft players irrationally.

[Dirtbag59]

The draft is always interesting because there seems to be a lot of 'reach' picks that boils down to weather the front office knows better then everyone else or making you wonder if they're being too cute for their own good.

In regards to the RG3 trade I still say it was more than worth it. Actually I'm starting to think that it might have been a steal for us.

Now picture this. In an alternate universe the Rams get buyers remorse after which they call the Redskins and say we will give you the following

Redskins would recieve:
Greg Robinson - OT
Janoris Jenkins - CB
Michael Brockers - DT
Alec Ogletree - MLB/ILB
Steadman Bailey - WR

Rams would receive:
RG3 -QB

I imagine most of us would say hell no.

Granted its not an apples to apples comparison but also keep in mind that the 2013 QB class was pretty underwhelming talent wise and this year we might have found ourselves begging to draft Johnny Leaf I mean Manziel.

Right now had we not taken RG3 we likely would have Cousins as our QB which wouldn't have been horrible but I think a lot of us are a lot more comfortable with him as a backup. Sure you could say maybe they would have taken Wilson instead but I think its well known at this point after Luck and RG3 that Shanahan liked Cousins the most.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

The draft is always interesting because there seems to be a lot of 'reach' picks that boils down to weather the front office knows better then everyone else or making you wonder if they're being too cute for their own good.

In regards to the RG3 trade I still say it was more than worth it. Actually I'm starting to think that it might have been a steal for us.

Now picture this. In an alternate universe the Rams get buyers remorse after which they call the Redskins and say we will give you the following

Redskins would recieve:
Greg Robinson - OT
Janoris Jenkins - CB
Michael Brockers - DT
Alec Ogletree - MLB/ILB
Steadman Bailey - WR

Rams would receive:
RG3 -QB

I imagine most of us would say hell no.

Granted its not an apples to apples comparison but also keep in mind that the 2013 QB class was pretty underwhelming talent wise and this year we might have found ourselves begging to draft Johnny Leaf I mean Manziel.

Right now had we not taken RG3 we likely would have Cousins as our QB which wouldn't have been horrible but I think a lot of us are a lot more comfortable with him as a backup. Sure you could say maybe they would have taken Wilson instead but I think its well known at this point after Luck and RG3 that Shanahan liked Cousins the most.

To me the calculus is even simpler than that. If Sam Bradford isn't a franchise QB, and I am starting to think he definitely isn't, then the Rams lost the trade. They could have had RG3 for themselves.

Since that trade, playoff appearances: Redskins 1, Rams 0

[ethat001]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

The draft is always interesting because there seems to be a lot of 'reach' picks that boils down to weather the front office knows better then everyone else or making you wonder if they're being too cute for their own good.

In regards to the RG3 trade I still say it was more than worth it. Actually I'm starting to think that it might have been a steal for us.

Now picture this. In an alternate universe the Rams get buyers remorse after which they call the Redskins and say we will give you the following

Redskins would recieve:
Greg Robinson - OT
Janoris Jenkins - CB
Michael Brockers - DT
Alec Ogletree - MLB/ILB
Steadman Bailey - WR

Rams would receive:
RG3 -QB

I imagine most of us would say hell no.

Granted its not an apples to apples comparison but also keep in mind that the 2013 QB class was pretty underwhelming talent wise and this year we might have found ourselves begging to draft Johnny Leaf I mean Manziel.

Right now had we not taken RG3 we likely would have Cousins as our QB which wouldn't have been horrible but I think a lot of us are a lot more comfortable with him as a backup. Sure you could say maybe they would have taken Wilson instead but I think its well known at this point after Luck and RG3 that Shanahan liked Cousins the most.

Love the analysis of draft values in the initial post. And Dirtbag -- this is a great breakdown above, pretty interesting. But your breakdown above for RG3 involves players picked by the RAMS. We may or may not have drafted better players, but they certainly would have been different players - based on our needs. A real way to compare would be to go back and consider BPA for us at those draft picks. We may or may not have traded back like they did, etc.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

The draft is always interesting because there seems to be a lot of 'reach' picks that boils down to weather the front office knows better then everyone else or making you wonder if they're being too cute for their own good.

In regards to the RG3 trade I still say it was more than worth it. Actually I'm starting to think that it might have been a steal for us.

Now picture this. In an alternate universe the Rams get buyers remorse after which they call the Redskins and say we will give you the following

Redskins would recieve:
Greg Robinson - OT
Janoris Jenkins - CB
Michael Brockers - DT
Alec Ogletree - MLB/ILB
Steadman Bailey - WR

Rams would receive:
RG3 -QB

I imagine most of us would say hell no.

Granted its not an apples to apples comparison but also keep in mind that the 2013 QB class was pretty underwhelming talent wise and this year we might have found ourselves begging to draft Johnny Leaf I mean Manziel.

Right now had we not taken RG3 we likely would have Cousins as our QB which wouldn't have been horrible but I think a lot of us are a lot more comfortable with him as a backup. Sure you could say maybe they would have taken Wilson instead but I think its well known at this point after Luck and RG3 that Shanahan liked Cousins the most.

IDK Dirtbag...I would imagine almost all NFL GM's would make that deal You have 4 really good starters there plus Bailey has serious potential.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

IDK Dirtbag...I would imagine almost all NFL GM's would make that deal You have 4 really good starters there plus Bailey has serious potential.

Well no doubt its solid and I genuinely believe that if Bradford stays healthy the trade will be one of the few win-wins in NFL history. However in terms of the players the Rams got, the way I feel is we've kind of had that caliber of players before and the best that happened was we eeked into the playoffs (Chris Samuals, Shawn Springs, Marcus Washington, Cornelius Griffin, and Randle-El (728 Yards in 07)). So it would be great to have those types of players but without a QB we wouldn't be a serious contender.

Granted again its not an apples to apples comparison as the Rams guys are younger not to mention different kinds of players but I honestly feel that the two most critical elements to winning a Super Bowl in this day and age are a top flight QB and Defense. And as tough as it is to put together an elite defense finding a QB the caliber of RG3 is exponentially harder.

I mean not to diminish the Seahawks scouting department but that number 1 ranked defense is essentially filled with guys who were no bodies going into the league. Some developed into elite pro bowlers like Sherman while many others have found great fits as rotational role players.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Well no doubt its solid and I genuinely believe that if Bradford stays healthy the trade will be one of the few win-wins in NFL history. However in terms of the players the Rams got, the way I feel is we've kind of had that caliber of players before and the best that happened was we eeked into the playoffs (Chris Samuals, Shawn Springs, Marcus Washington, Cornelius Griffin, and Randle-El (728 Yards in 07)). So it would be great to have those types of players but without a QB we wouldn't be a serious contender.

Granted again its not an apples to apples comparison as the Rams guys are younger not to mention different kinds of players but I honestly feel that the two most critical elements to winning a Super Bowl in this day and age are a top flight QB and Defense. And as tough as it is to put together an elite defense finding a QB the caliber of RG3 is exponentially harder.

I mean not to diminish the Seahawks scouting department but that number 1 ranked defense is essentially filled with guys who were no bodies going into the league. Some developed into elite pro bowlers like Sherman while many others have found great fits as rotational role players.

This is where we see it differently. I didn't see RG3, as a pro prospect, head and shoulders above Wilson, Foles, Tannehill or even Cousins.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

This is where we see it differently. I didn't see RG3, as a pro prospect, head and shoulders above Wilson, Foles, Tannehill or even Cousins.

we know you want cousin to be our QB , glad you not in charge.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

we know you want cousin to be our QB , glad you not in charge.

This.

RG3's superior intangibles, arm strength, accuracy, and athleticism made him a far better pro prospect than Foles and Cousins for sure. Tannehill wasn't that far behind, and Wilson would've been closer if he had another 3 inches(in height, dummy ), but RG3 and Luck were two of the best QB prospects to be drafted in a long time.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

This.

RG3's superior intangibles, arm strength, accuracy, and athleticism made him a far better pro prospect than Foles and Cousins for sure. Tannehill wasn't that far behind, and Wilson would've been closer if he had another 3 inches(in height, dummy ), but RG3 and Luck were two of the best QB prospects to be drafted in a long time.

Foles was in hunt for MVP last year. Just sayin'

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

we know you want cousin to be our QB , glad you not in charge.

Actually I don't. I want the best guy behind center. That should be RG3. Right?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

IDK Dirtbag...I would imagine almost all NFL GM's would make that deal You have 4 really good starters there plus Bailey has serious potential.

I imagine the exact opposite, I dont think any would make that trade.

Greg Robinson hasnt played yet
As far as Steadman's potential, potential will get you fired.
Janoris Jenkins is a decent to above average corner.
Michael Brockers and Alec Ogletree aren't anything to write home about right now.