Paintrain's all encompassing 'discuss all things offseason' thread (Version 2.0)

[SFREDSKIN]

I wouldn't say this a bust as much as St.Louis making some great trades and picking up some studs.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/final-...135217176.html

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I wouldn't say this a bust as much as St.Louis making some great trades and picking up some studs.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/final-...135217176.html

Yeah as I said in another thread that even though its not an apples to apples comparison no way could you reverse that trade by offering Greg Robinson (OT), Michael Brockers (DT), Janoris Jenkins (CB), Steadman Bailey (WR), and Alec Ogletree (ILB) for RG3. The only way would be if the Skins front office had the foresight to draft Russell Wilson in 2012 which is a really far out 20/20 hindsight suggestion.

When I look at the players for the Rams the RG3 picks turned into I'm tempted to say we got a steal. Regardless if Bradford continues to improve like he did last year before the injury then the trade really will end up as a win-win.

I've kind of been saying it for years but as great as having multiple draft picks and building depth is, it means very little without a QB.

Almost like getting a really nice car with a top of the line engine, paint job, stereo, interior, etc but not having a decent alternator and starter for it. Sure the car will be great when it runs but it could easily shut down at a moments notice.

Or if you're into PC gaming like me its like getting a top of the line case, motherboard, CPU, cooling fans, 32 GB of ram, multiple high capacity SSD hard drives while getting a $100 graphics card then expecting to play Crysis 3 in 4k.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Yeah as I said in another thread that even though its not an apples to apples comparison no way could you reverse that trade by offering Greg Robinson (OT), Michael Brockers (DT), Janoris Jenkins (CB), Steadman Bailey (WR), and Alec Ogletree (ILB) for RG3. The only way would be if the Skins front office had the foresight to draft Russell Wilson in 2012 which is a really far out 20/20 hindsight suggestion.

When I look at the players for the Rams the RG3 picks turned into I'm tempted to say we got a steal. Regardless if Bradford continues to improve like he did last year before the injury then the trade really will end up as a win-win.

I've kind of been saying it for years but as great as having multiple draft picks and building depth is, it means very little without a QB.

Almost like getting a really nice car with a top of the line engine, paint job, stereo, interior, etc but not having a decent alternator and starter for it. Sure the car will be great when it runs but it could easily shut down at a moments notice.

Or if you're into PC gaming like me its like getting a top of the line case, motherboard, CPU, cooling fans, 32 GB of ram, multiple high capacity SSD hard drives while getting a $100 graphics card then expecting to play Crysis 3 in 4k.

This year will tell a lot about the trade. I still think the Skins paid too much.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I wouldn't say this a bust as much as St.Louis making some great trades and picking up some studs.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/final-...135217176.html

Rams are setting themselves up for long term success. I would give them the edge on this trade.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Rams are setting themselves up for long term success. I would give them the edge on this trade.

Agreed. I'd also like to say the same thing about the Texans. Whoever succeeds Bill O'Brien is going to have a lot of talent to work with

Seriously though it kind of feels like the 49ers. They did an incredible job over the years under Nolan and Singletary creating one of the leagues best supporting cast, of course without a QB the best they could hope for was to grind out 9-7 seasons and squeeze into the playoffs where they were essentially a tune up game for any team with a QB.

Then again you can't help but think if the Texans are employing the Shanahan method. If you don't love the incoming QB's get better up front, go into the season with Beck and Grossman [Fitzpatrick and Keenum] have a bad season, and then be in a position to draft someone like Luck or RG3 [Winston {SL FSU}or Marcus Mariota {QB Ore}] the following year.

Really scared though about week 1. Honestly I would much rather have faced the Texans in week 12 or later....you know about the time rookies start to hit the wall since they're not use to a season length like that of the NFL.

Posters Note: SL stands for Shoplifter.

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Does anyone really think Snyder penned the cease and desist letter and mailed it out himself?

Maybe I'm overreacting but man I'm starting to get fed up with these pointless lawsuits. Honestly its stuff like this that makes people hate lawyers. Its why some kid posting a highlight film on YouTube has to worry about a record company putting in a copyright complaint to his highlight film. Or a group of gamers can't make a not for profit remake of one of their favorite childhood games in spite of the fact that the IP owners aren't doing anything with said IP.

It doesn't matter if Lavar wants to market himself as the Greatest Redskin of all time and take credit for every Super Bowl the team has ever won. Its really not worth getting lawyers involved.

I'm more then willing to give Snyder the benefit of the doubt on stuff like him not no longer meddling with football decisions but honestly this LaVar cease and desist deal reeks of the same old Snyder that 'encouraged' the Washington Post to stop using Redskins Insider and at least was somewhat responsible for the season ticket holders being sued for non-payment (not saying he set out to sue an old lady who was on the verge of bankruptcy but he did put himself in that position).

In the end Snyder either needs to hire new lawyers because they're doing stuff without his approval or he needs to stop being trigger happy with the cease and desist stuff. Right now everything the team does is heavily scrutinized with the name controversy. Why the hell are you giving the media more then enough ammo to justify portraying you as the same old tyrant?

And for Gods sake pay for the entire backhoe.
Colbert Report on Redskins’ new foundation

The Foundation also assisted in the purchase of a new backhoe for the Omaha tribe. That’s right, assisted. Because you can’t expect a team worth $1.7 billion to pay for the entire backhoe. Those things cost thousands. To cover that price, they’d have to sell a beer and a soft pretzel.”

If anyone needs to send out a cease and desist letter its Drowning Pool. Serial, if I come across that song one more time my head is going to explode.

Bodies (Drowning Pool song) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The song was used by interrogators at the Guantanamo Bay detention camps in 2003. "Bodies" was repeatedly played over a 10 day period during the torture of Mohamedou Ould Slahi while he was "exposed to variable lighting patterns" at the same time.[3][4]

Now that's cruel and unusual punishment

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Rams are setting themselves up for long term success. I would give them the edge on this trade.

Be honest though dude, you were perhaps the most outspoken on the board against the trade when it happened based on the cost so of course you're going to feel this way. Absent a Redskins Super Bowl win and a Ram collapse, you're not going to say otherwise.

Anyone objective would say it's still far too early to fully judge the trade. All those first round picks and the Rams still haven't broken .500. We won the division & had a 3-13 season. Personally, I'll take the division title rather than a bunch of players.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Be honest though dude, you were perhaps the most outspoken on the board against the trade when it happened based on the cost so of course you're going to feel this way. Absent a Redskins Super Bowl win and a Ram collapse, you're not going to say otherwise.

Anyone objective would say it's still far too early to fully judge the trade. All those first round picks and the Rams still haven't broken .500. We won the division & had a 3-13 season. Personally, I'll take the division title rather than a bunch of players.

Not true. I give them a slight edge right now. Certainly not a big one.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Not true. I give them a slight edge right now. Certainly not a big one.

My thing is, and I've said it a lot, so I'm not breaking new ground. They got a lot of solid players, some of that do to wise trades which means they got a win in the trade.

We got our qb. Every year we had a question, and resources time and energy in scouting was wasted looking at qb's, questions of qb competitions, and divided fans and teammates as to who should be the starter, or who we should get as the starter, or why don't we have a starter. It was endless, and I am sure fatiguing for every player that wore the Skins uniform (at least offense, and probably defense). We know that Griffin has top level talent, and has a division title under his belt. I say that's a win for us. Especially considering the relatively barren qb drafts the last 2 years. I understand the argument could be made that we could have had Tannehill or Wilson, but we also could have had Weeden, Osweiler, Foles (who I am not a believer in), Manuel, Smith, Glennon ... AND with any one of those guys we would still be thinking is there someone better. My guess is regardless of who we took, it would turn into yet another Jason Campbell, or Patrick Ramsey saga that dragged us through another 3-5 years of guessing game qb play.
so it was a win for us.

Ultimately, why does there have to be a winner and loser, in this case both teams got the end result they wanted from the trade.
Win Win.