Paintrain's all encompassing 'discuss all things offseason' thread (Version 2.0)

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think that's up for considerable debate. Have not heard a compelling/definitive argument that the initial meaning was offensive.

How many people actually use the word Redskins as a derogatory term? Feels like when the name comes up, people automatically think of the football team.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by mooby

How many people actually use the word Redskins as a derogatory term? Feels like when the name comes up, people automatically think of the football team.

Which was my point earlier. No one thinks Native Americans when they think of "Redskins" because truth be told most people simply don't think of Native Americans. Let's say the name changes, do we really believe all these clamoring for a name change are gonna say "Well'that's just the first step. Let's improve their living conditions, address issues such as illiteracy, alcoholism, poverty in the NA community" No....Hell to the No. They'll just pat themselves on the back and say "Look at the change we made!"

I'm not a gung ho keep the name at all costs guy, but the fake sincerity of those that demand the name change irks me

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Which was my point earlier. No one thinks Native Americans when they think of "Redskins" because truth be told most people simply don't think of Native Americans. Let's say the name changes, do we really believe all these clamoring for a name change are gonna say "Well'that's just the first step. Let's improve their living conditions, address issues such as illiteracy, alcoholism, poverty in the NA community" No....Hell to the No. They'll just pat themselves on the back and say "Look at the change we made!"

I'm not a gung ho keep the name at all costs guy, but the fake sincerity of those that demand the name change irks me

Yes well said and not only with this issue, but many others as well.

But with this specific issue, I'd like to know why sudden change which caused them to be offended? When did term "Redskins" suddenly cross the line as derogatory?

Back to your point of "They'll just pat themselves on the back and say "Look at the change we made"...that is a good way to put it, because these "little" and "meaningless" victories of today's culture are the easiest. When it comes to the "heavy lifting", this/our generation of people just doesnt get it.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Which was my point earlier. No one thinks Native Americans when they think of "Redskins" because truth be told most people simply don't think of Native Americans. Let's say the name changes, do we really believe all these clamoring for a name change are gonna say "Well'that's just the first step. Let's improve their living conditions, address issues such as illiteracy, alcoholism, poverty in the NA community" No....Hell to the No. They'll just pat themselves on the back and say "Look at the change we made!"

I'm not a gung ho keep the name at all costs guy, but the fake sincerity of those that demand the name change irks me

Well said and I agree.

But I also see the tidal wave of uninformed initiative which will only get louder and more annoying until the name is changed.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Which was my point earlier. No one thinks Native Americans when they think of "Redskins" because truth be told most people simply don't think of Native Americans. Let's say the name changes, do we really believe all these clamoring for a name change are gonna say "Well'that's just the first step. Let's improve their living conditions, address issues such as illiteracy, alcoholism, poverty in the NA community" No....Hell to the No. They'll just pat themselves on the back and say "Look at the change we made!"

I'm not a gung ho keep the name at all costs guy, but the fake sincerity of those that demand the name change irks me

Seems like this is a trending thing nowadays. Also great post, something tells me you're probably right.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Which was my point earlier. No one thinks Native Americans when they think of "Redskins" because truth be told most people simply don't think of Native Americans. Let's say the name changes, do we really believe all these clamoring for a name change are gonna say "Well'that's just the first step. Let's improve their living conditions, address issues such as illiteracy, alcoholism, poverty in the NA community" No....Hell to the No. They'll just pat themselves on the back and say "Look at the change we made!"

I'm not a gung ho keep the name at all costs guy, but the fake sincerity of those that demand the name change irks me

/drops mic

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Which was my point earlier. No one thinks Native Americans when they think of "Redskins" because truth be told most people simply don't think of Native Americans. Let's say the name changes, do we really believe all these clamoring for a name change are gonna say "Well'that's just the first step. Let's improve their living conditions, address issues such as illiteracy, alcoholism, poverty in the NA community" No....Hell to the No. They'll just pat themselves on the back and say "Look at the change we made!"

I'm not a gung ho keep the name at all costs guy, but the fake sincerity of those that demand the name change irks me

Well said. I'm guessing from a slimy politician standpoint it takes a lot less political capital to make a couple of public outcries about the 80 year old name of a football team instead of moving to acquire federal money to improve quality of life problems on reservations.

Plus at the end of the day they can throw onto their political resume that they're "staunch supporters of Native American rights."

Natives against the name: Excuse us Senator but if possible we would like to ask for your help in our efforts to change the name of the Washington Football teams name as we find it offensive.

Senator: WELL THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! You know what I'm going to send out a press release, publish an open letter, and hold a press conference to call out this despicable organization that's clearly promoting racism. 80 years is way to long. This needs to be addressed NAO!

Natives against the name: Also while we're here we'd also like to ask for your assistance with many issues that are critical to our people. For starters our literacy rates are falling so we require more teachers to help our young people. Also many of our schools are outdated, some of them have asbestos so if possible we would need to procure funds to help with our facilities. We also....

Senator: Ooh, um, yeahhhhhh thats going to be tricky. I tell you what lets table that for now and have another meeting on this later in the month. Talk to my secretary I'm pretty sure my calender for June 31 is WIDE OPEN. However I'm going to get started on that football name change RIGHT AWAY. Right after I go to the mall....in Canada.

Natives against the name: But Senator......

Secretary: So doe June 31st at 2:65 work for you? Or would you rather have July 32nd at zero dark ninety slash potato?