Paintrain's all encompassing 'discuss all things offseason' thread (Version 2.0)

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

With all due respect to you as well, that first paragraph has very little to do with the name-change issue; the only reason it's even relevant is because we're on the topic of Native Americans.

Yeah, white people invaded the Native American's land and forced the original Americans to find new homes, but we're talking about the nickname of a football team that's meant to honor Native Americans and came about hundreds of years after what you're talking about. Certainly not a reason to change the name.

The heart of the issue is respect for Indians, in which case a history of disrespect for Indians is quite relevant.

And it is not "hundreds of years after" what I've been talking about, unless Native Americans were all given back their land overnight and I was not informed. The oppression of indigenous Americans is a continuing story.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by Lotus

The heart of the issue is respect for Indians, in which case a history of disrespect for Indians is quite relevant.

And it is not "hundreds of years after" what I've been talking about, unless Native Americans were all given back their land overnight and I was not informed. The oppression of indigenous Americans is a continuing story.

If respect is the issue we're discussing, then it's useless for me to reply because it's all a matter of opinion. I think that the name was meant to and does honor Native Americans and their heritage; and the polls seem to back me up on that. And I don't think that because the minority finds the name offensive and wants it changed, it should happen. Majority, yes....

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Bunch of assholes.

Read this and weep, oh falsely offended attention-seekers.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

If respect is the issue we're discussing, then it's useless for me to reply because it's all a matter of opinion. I think that the name was meant to and does honor Native Americans and their heritage; and the polls seem to back me up on that. And I don't think that because the minority finds the name offensive and wants it changed, it should happen. Majority, yes....




Read this and weep, oh falsely offended attention-seekers.

Actually respect is not just a matter of opinion.

Several posts here have called for respect for and honoring of Indians. Yet you have argued against these posts because of, in your own words, your opinion.

Therefore you have freely chosen to honor your own opinion instead of showing respect to Indians. While others may still make this claim, it is BS for you to claim that the name "Redskins" honors Indians, because you actually have refused to do so. As such, you are the poster child for the "Redskins name leads to disrespect for Indians" argument.

Congratulations, you have proven right the change-the-name contingent, right before our eyes.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Actually respect is not just a matter of opinion.

Several posts here have called for respect for and honoring of Indians. Yet you have argued against these posts because of, in your own words, your opinion.

Therefore you have freely chosen to honor your own opinion instead of showing respect to Indians. While others may still make this claim, it is BS for you to claim that the name "Redskins" honors Indians, because you actually have refused to do so. As such, you are the poster child for the "Redskins name leads to disrespect for Indians" argument.

Congratulations, you have proven right the change-the-name contingent, right before our eyes.

If you can show me where I directly argued against honoring Native Americans, I'll give you a doughnut.

And when did I refuse to say the name "Redskins" honors Native Americans? I actually did say just that, twice. See posts above.

Also, in reply to your first sentence, I was saying that whatever side of the debate over whether or not the name "Redskins" honored Native Americans you're on is an opinion. While it's technically not, it sort of is, because while there is plenty of evidence that the name does not offend currently and was meant as an honor when it first came into use as this teams name, plenty of people, like you, refuse to see that and claim it's offensive, again, in spite of all evidence to the contrary.