All things offseason discussion part II

[tshile]

yeah I don't want him to not play his role... but the narrative from the defense, the coaching staff, and even griffin was that mike shannahan held everyone back... specifically to orakpo - that he wasn't allowed to rush.

so if this whole time the issue has been that he's been held back... let's see what happens when he's 'allowed' to rush the passer...

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by tshile

yeah I don't want him to not play his role... but the narrative from the defense, the coaching staff, and even griffin was that mike shannahan held everyone back... specifically to orakpo - that he wasn't allowed to rush.
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I still haven't seen that said by anyone yet ,people here have suggested it but still haven't heard anyone from the team last year .

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I still haven't seen that said by anyone yet ,people here have suggested it but still haven't heard anyone from the team last year .

So a team official has to provide the stats for it to be true?

Or maybe you just don't come around enough to have seen the million times these stats have been posted.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

So a team official has to provide the stats for it to be true?
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Did you see what I was responding to ? I have heard people here say these things but not any where else ,I never question anyone's stats .

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Did you see what I was responding to ? I have heard people here say these things but not any where else ,I never question anyone's stats .

If you took time to click on the link I provided, you noticed not only the numbers, but also this quote by team insider Rich Tandler:

The “what we want to do” could be taken as a shot at former head coach Mike Shanahan. Word is that he got heavily involved in the defense and Haslett did not have a free hand in running the unit. It appears that Jay Gruden will take the Joe Gibbs approach and let Haslett run the defense as he sees fit.

[CrustyRedskin]

Everyone wants Rak and Kerrigan to be nfl sack leaders. That's hard to do when your ass is losing. Start winning 10+ games a year and get some nice comfy leads in the second half of a few games and see what happens. Ex JJ Watts. 2013-14.

[tshile]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

Everyone wants Rak and Kerrigan to be nfl sack leaders. That's hard to do when your ass is losing. Start winning 10+ games a year and get some nice comfy leads in the second half of a few games and see what happens. Ex JJ Watts. 2013-14.

I like you're thinking

A healthy griffin and an offense putting up 30+ points a game on average will do wonders for our defense in terms of sacks and turnovers

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

Everyone wants Rak and Kerrigan to be nfl sack leaders. That's hard to do when your ass is losing. Start winning 10+ games a year and get some nice comfy leads in the second half of a few games and see what happens. Ex JJ Watts. 2013-14.

JJ Watt still had 10.5 sacks this year. He is a beast no matter who he plays for. There are plenty of players that rack up sacks even on bad teams. Like Robert Quinn or Mario Williams.

Orakpo and Kerrigan have to produce. There are no more excuses this year.

[KI Skins Fan]

I just read a WAPO article which pointed out that the editors of the various NFL preview magazines think that the Redskins are one of if not the worst team in the NFL.

I don't think we're nearly that bad. In fact, I think we could win our division this season.

Nevertheless, this has made me wonder if I am indeed wearing burgundy-colored glasses. Am I nuts to think that we have improved and that RGIII can take the next step and become the leader of one of the best offenses in the league?

Also, I wonder if we, as Redskins fans, chronically overestimate our team. Surely, we won't have a repeat of last season's horror show, will we? Now I'm starting to become concerned.

What's your view of these magazine editor's predictions and our ability to see our team for what it is?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I just read a WAPO article which pointed out that the editors of the various NFL preview magazines think that the Redskins are one of if not the worst team in the NFL.

I don't think we're nearly that bad. In fact, I think we could win our division this season.

Nevertheless, this has made me wonder if I am indeed wearing burgundy-colored glasses. Am I nuts to think that we have improved and that RGIII can take the next step and become the leader of one of the best offenses in the league?

Also, I wonder if we, as Redskins fans, chronically overestimate our team. Surely, we won't have a repeat of last season's horror show, will we? Now I'm starting to become concerned.

What's your view of these magazine editor's predictions and our ability to see our team for what it is?

I enjoy preview magazine season but they hold very little predictive value or insight. The national detached narrative for the Redskins is easy based on last season. Griffin is still injured/difficult. Rookie head coach replacing a 'legend'. Terrible defense that didn't bring in any names. Desean Jackson is another 'typical Redskins move'.

They don't actually have anyone with direct insight to the team for the most part so they won't have any clue on how Griffin's offseason has been or the change in the team from Shanahan to Gruden.

As fans we will always be more optimistic than the national scribes and certainly have more insight than most preview publications who either hire freelancers on the cheap or have someone do multiple teams so there's no way they will be able to write anything of relevance or value.

Don't worry, they'll be singing a different tune when the results on the field are different.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I just read a WAPO article which pointed out that the editors of the various NFL preview magazines think that the Redskins are one of if not the worst team in the NFL.

I don't think we're nearly that bad. In fact, I think we could win our division this season.

Nevertheless, this has made me wonder if I am indeed wearing burgundy-colored glasses. Am I nuts to think that we have improved and that RGIII can take the next step and become the leader of one of the best offenses in the league?

Also, I wonder if we, as Redskins fans, chronically overestimate our team. Surely, we won't have a repeat of last season's horror show, will we? Now I'm starting to become concerned.

What's your view of these magazine editor's predictions and our ability to see our team for what it is?

I think we do chronically overestimate the team. We're fans; it's our job to be too enthused.

But those preseason mags typically aren't worth the paper that they are printed on. Every year teams go worst-to-first and vice versa, making July's preseason magazine a joke by December.

[MTK]

^ Again I'll keep going back to opportunities. Those guys simply rush the passer more.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

^ Again I'll keep going back to opportunities. Those guys simply rush the passer more.

I agree but that is only part of it. I have seen Orakpo and Kerrigan get taken out of games even when they were "unleashed".

Part of it is opportunity. Another part is when you watch them play they have two moves... Speed Rush or Bull Rush.

Also pro football focus did a pass rush production article. Orakpo wasn't in the top 10 for edge rushers.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...-edge-rushers/

[SirLK26]

The narrative about how Orakpo has only a few pass rushing moves is a poor one, IMO. I've made this DeSean Jackson comparison before, but it's like the DeSean situation in that he put up big numbers even though the fans claimed that he was easy to take out of games. Orakpo may only have a few pass rushing moves but it's propelled him to quite a few sacks. And DeSean may be easy to take out of a game, but at the same time, he still put up 80 for 1300 and 9.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

The narrative about how Orakpo has only a few pass rushing moves is a poor one, IMO. I've made this DeSean Jackson comparison before, but it's like the DeSean situation in that he put up big numbers even though the fans claimed that he was easy to take out of games. Orakpo may only have a few pass rushing moves but it's propelled him to quite a few sacks. And DeSean may be easy to take out of a game, but at the same time, he still put up 80 for 1300 and 9.

Id have to agree with Raks versatility. I would go so far as to say he has one move.
Maybe his performance has been less than stellar due to our piss poor secondary, or lack of talent around him. I dont know. I hope he proves different this year.