Let's talk OTA's

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

In fairness to Tripp, I think he implied that the Eagles should be the favorite at this time using either prediction method. To me, it would seem that the numbers would be a good starting point. In the case of NFL football, they don't get you very far because of the significant variances that can occur but they can help to keep you from going astray from the beginning.

This may not be scientific, but I think that the play of RGIII in 2014 may the single most significant unknown in the attempt to predict the division winner. I think we pretty much know what can be expected of the other three starting QB's when they are healthy and playing well. Right now, we still don't know exactly what we have in RGIII. If he is able to optimize his athletic ability for use as an NFL QB, his production could be off the charts. If not, his production could be average.

How many wins is an optimized and fully utilized RGIII worth? I don't know but I think the difference in production with and without an optimized, fully utilized RGIII would be close to the difference in production of the Green Bay offense when they had Rodgers in the lineup last season versus when he was not available to them.

Agreed, but you don't need statistical analysis to tell you that. A giant statistical analysis wouldn't tell you anything you don't already know.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Agreed, but you don't need statistical analysis to tell you that. A giant statistical analysis wouldn't tell you anything you don't already know.

I have a gnawing doubt in my mind about just how good an NFL QB RGIII can be. I thought he could be outstanding when we drafted him yet I need to see more from him to be convinced that he can be a Franchise QB.

I actually hate that I feel this way about RGIII because I want him to be great. If and when he becomes a Franchise QB, you might be able to project an improving Skins team to win the division. If he doesn't become one, then we can expect to be also rans.

Again, the Eagles should be the favorite to win the division because they are the most complete team in the division and therefore the least dependent on the play of their QB. That directly correlates to the fact that, right now, there are questions about Eli (Giantone might disagree), Romo, and RGIII. But if one, two or all of those three should have very good seasons, then it will be a dog fight.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I have a gnawing doubt in my mind about just how good an NFL QB RGIII can be. I thought he could be outstanding when we drafted him yet I need to see more from him to be convinced that he can be a Franchise QB.

I actually hate that I feel this way about RGIII because I want him to be great. If and when he becomes a Franchise QB, you might be able to project an improving Skins team to win the division. If he doesn't become one, then we can expect to be also rans.

Again, the Eagles should be the favorite to win the division because they are the most complete team in the division and therefore the least dependent on the play of their QB. That directly correlates to the fact that, right now, there are questions about Eli (Giantone might disagree), Romo, and RGIII. But if one, two or all of those three should have very good seasons, then it will be a dog fight.

Maybe it's a little over-homerism on my part but I'm willing to toss out 2013 when considering if RGIII will be a franchise QB. If someone asked the question after the Ravens game (assuming he didn't get hurt) in '12 if RGIII was about to become a franchise QB, there would have been resounding yesses. His rookie numbers, simply passing numbers, are a great indicator of his future success.

Last season, as painful as it was to watch, even showed spurts of excellence, especially shortly before he got benched. Go back and watch the Bears, Chargers, Giants and Vikings games. Passing wise, he was making plays, accurate with the football, all that we need him to be.

I think he tuned the coaches out at some point last season (which was immature of him) which also contributed to his sloppy mechanics and results but he seems like a different person this year with Gruden.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Maybe it's a little over-homerism on my part but I'm willing to toss out 2013 when considering if RGIII will be a franchise QB. If someone asked the question after the Ravens game (assuming he didn't get hurt) in '12 if RGIII was about to become a franchise QB, there would have been resounding yesses. His rookie numbers, simply passing numbers, are a great indicator of his future success.

Last season, as painful as it was to watch, even showed spurts of excellence, especially shortly before he got benched. Go back and watch the Bears, Chargers, Giants and Vikings games. Passing wise, he was making plays, accurate with the football, all that we need him to be.

I think he tuned the coaches out at some point last season (which was immature of him) which also contributed to his sloppy mechanics and results but he seems like a different person this year with Gruden.

He stunk last year. End of discussion. It's over. New year, new coach, new weapons for him on offense and he's got a full off-season thanks to Shanahan lol. No excuses. He's got everything going for him to really take off this year. But he still has to go do it. I'm in wait and see mode, not homerism mode

You also have to remember that this is OTA's/mini -camps. There's going to be some adversity sooner or later so we'll see how that goes when the situation comes.