Redskins Trademark cancelled

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

The point may stand but is a weak point.

In the real world...not on paper or the internet...how is the term being used today in a generally disparaging way? How was it ever used in a generally disparaging why?

A discussion on whether to change a name or ban a term because it is offensive ought to start with the aggrieved party
A) actually being reasonably offended
B) able to show said examples of said offense

This seems like it should be simple enough. Instead the supporters of a name-change just say its offensive and move forward with their agenda. As far as I can tell its eerily similar to a Big Lie...tell everyone long enough that it's offensive and everyone will soon be offended by it.

Most dictionaries don't define it as a racial slur, but they all pretty much acknowledge it as being offensive or derogatory. Some also acknowledge that the word was only used as an insult a long time ago:

an old-fashioned informal name, now considered taboo, for a Native American

Yankee has a similar definition:

1. derogatory often a native or inhabitant of the US; American


Redskin, like Yankee, has largely been redefined to mean the name of a professional sports team. Before the recent media avalanche, a vast majority of the population associated the word with the football team more than anything else.

And did the dictionaries JUST start to define Redskin as being offensive? If not, why the sudden movement to change a brand name that's been in existence for 80 years?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by tshile

If we talk the root of the issue, maybe the reason they are more often remembered for their past is not because a football team is named the redskins but because the image of the current day native American is poverty, substance abuse, low-quality education, and casinos (and the problems that comes with.) In other words: it's a depressing thought especially when you factor in their path that took them from then to now.

If the current day native American had a better image, maybe they could join us in celebrating the redskins the way we do.

There's a lot of ways to try to fix that. I fail to see how changing the name is any of them.

Those comments were not about the name change. They were about perceptions of the logo.

[tshile]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Those comments were not about the name change. They were about perceptions of the logo.

I see even less reason to change the logo. It was designed by native americans, made the logo at their request.

The perceptions about it... well, that's not my problem. There is a story behind it. It's up to the individual to be interested enough to find out what it is.

[ram29jackson]

[HoustonSkinsFan]

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[44Deezel]

Just saw that the Seattle Times will no longer use the word, Redskin, even when writing about the Wellpinit Redskins.

Wow, telling the Native American residents of Wellpinit that they're ignorant racists is pretty harsh. Does it get any more pompous and arrogant than that?

I was starting to warm to Redtails or Red Clouds, but now I'd like Danny to stick it to these clowns and slap the sweet-looking, classic Redskin 'R' on the helmets. Tell everyone the name is now associated with redskin potatoes and be done with it. Force these a-holes to start using the name again.

Team names are, by and large, stupid and don't honor or dignify anything. Who do the Giants, Jets, Panthers, Seahawks and Cardinals honor? The PELICANS? Having a team name associated with a potato is just as dumb as being associated with a type of plane, but nobody gives it a second thought.

I just want to keep calling them Redskins. Doesn't matter to me what the background of the name is. Does anyone think of the Indian Meat Packing company when Green Bay plays? Does 49er fans care any more about gold miners that anyone else? It's a BRAND NAME, people, and a strong one at that.


The yellow helmets with the 'R' look cool and no, logos don't need to match names. They usually don't actually.

What could anyone do about it? Absolutely nothing!

[ram29jackson]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Just saw that the Seattle Times will no longer use the word, Redskin, even when writing about the Wellpinit Redskins.

Wow, telling the Native American residents of Wellpinit that they're ignorant racists is pretty harsh. Does it get any more pompous and arrogant than that?

I was starting to warm to Redtails or Red Clouds, but now I'd like Danny to stick it to these clowns and slap the sweet-looking, classic Redskin 'R' on the helmets. Tell everyone the name is now associated with redskin potatoes and be done with it. Force these a-holes to start using the name again.

Team names are, by and large, stupid and don't honor or dignify anything. Who do the Giants, Jets, Panthers, Seahawks and Cardinals honor? The PELICANS? Having a team name associated with a potato is just as dumb as being associated with a type of plane, but nobody gives it a second thought.

I just want to keep calling them Redskins. Doesn't matter to me what the background of the name is. Does anyone think of the Indian Meat Packing company when Green Bay plays? Does 49er fans care any more about gold miners that anyone else? It's a BRAND NAME, people, and a strong one at that.


The yellow helmets with the 'R' look cool and no, logos don't need to match names. They usually don't actually.

What could anyone do about it? Absolutely nothing!

actually..just an opinion...I think a logo being the first letter in a team name is pretty stupid. I understand if it were a =W= but not an R. its cool for being retro but is kind of dumbed down if done now

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by ram29jackson

actually..just an opinion...I think a logo being the first letter in a team name is pretty stupid. I understand if it were a =W= but not an R. its cool for being retro but is kind of dumbed down if done now

I hear ya, but I like the old yellow helmets with the R. Danny could be a total dick and actually put the word Redskins on the helmet. Again, the potato version, not the Native American version.

[ram29jackson]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

I hear ya, but I like the old yellow helmets with the R. Danny could be a total dick and actually put the word Redskins on the helmet. Again, the potato version, not the Native American version.

I just realized they went to a yellow helmet when Lombardi started coaching there..interesting and makes sense

[mitch e]

Originally Posted by ram29jackson

I just realized they went to a yellow helmet when Lombardi started coaching there..interesting and makes sense

He wanted to instill a winning attitude and changed the color to Championship Gold.

[MTK]

Here we go

Plaintiff in Redskins patent case urges Chiefs to change their name | ProFootballTalk

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Here we go

Plaintiff in Redskins patent case urges Chiefs to change their name | ProFootballTalk

Is Florio going to post 5 articles a day now criticizing the entire Chiefs organization from head to toe?

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Here we go

Plaintiff in Redskins patent case urges Chiefs to change their name | ProFootballTalk

People who didn't see this coming are stupid. NCAI has a 30 page document on their website saying ALL Native American references need to go. Braves, Indians, Blackhawks and Chiefs fans need to get on board with the Skins. If Redskins goes down, they're next. At least we can hide behind the potato. They can't.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

People who didn't see this coming are stupid. NCAI has a 30 page document on their website saying ALL Native American references need to go. Braves, Indians, Blackhawks and Chiefs fans need to get on board with the Skins. If Redskins goes down, they're next. At least we can hide behind the potato. They can't.

agree Deez.

I say to all who took up the cause against the Skins names cant back track now, you support changing the Chiefs name as well.

#truecolors

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Is Florio going to post 5 articles a day now criticizing the entire Chiefs organization from head to toe?

Probably not, he clearly only has a boner for anything anti-Redskins. "Chiefs" isn't a slur so apparently that's ok (slur or not shouldn't matter).