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[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Warriors is a fairly wide encompassing term. If people have a problem with that might as well just get rid of all nicknames. I'm just glad pigskins isn't in this poll.

I agree that Warriors is an encompassing term but as I recall Marquette U was called the Warriors until they were forced to change to the Golden Eagles.

[tshile]

Originally Posted by irish

I agree that Warriors is an encompassing term but as I recall Marquette U was called the Warriors until they were forced to change to the Golden Eagles.

Yup. And the primary complaint was that the Warriors was alongside Native American imagery.

Anyone honestly suggesting Warriors as an option needs to do their homework. We'll be back in the same boat eventually, it's just a matter of time.

The people demanding the name change and suggesting Warriors as an alternative... well, it shows how much they know about the offensiveness they claim to care so much about.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by tshile

Yup. And the primary complaint was that the Warriors was alongside Native American imagery.

Anyone honestly suggesting Warriors as an option needs to do their homework. We'll be back in the same boat eventually, it's just a matter of time.

The people demanding the name change and suggesting Warriors as an alternative... well, it shows how much they know about the offensiveness they claim to care so much about.

Wrong. My high school mascot was The Warriors, but it's always represented as a knight or Robin Hood-type figure (Sherwood HS, apparently named that because the woods nearby were like those in the Robin Hood legend). Apparently back in the day they did us NA symbols but that got changed a long time ago.
Personally, I've always liked the idea of the name Warriors with an ancient Greek solider look. I thought it fit in with the designs of many of the buildings around The Mall in DC.
In either case, apparently it's okay to use European style imagery, at least for now.

[tshile]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Wrong. My high school mascot was The Warriors, but it's always represented as a knight or Robin Hood-type figure (Sherwood HS, apparently named that because the woods nearby were like those in the Robin Hood legend). Apparently back in the day they did us NA symbols but that got changed a long time ago.
Personally, I've always liked the idea of the name Warriors with an ancient Greek solider look. I thought it fit in with the designs of many of the buildings around The Mall in DC.
In either case, apparently it's okay to use European style imagery, at least for now.

Well, the suggestion to use Warriors is normally accompanied with "... and keep the logo and the colors and the rest of the imagery" which I didn't really mention in the part you seem to object to.

So yes - if they change it to warriors and move away from the Native American imagery then that would work. But that's rarely the suggestion... the people suggesting Warriors and keeping everything else have not researched the issue well enough to realize that the name Warriors, when accompanied with Native American imagery, has been protested as disparaging/offensive/etc before. That was my point

So if the concern is about offending Native Americans... changing to Warriors and keeping everything else the same is not an option....

I think if you offered Warriors as the option and said we'll change to some european/mid-evil theme.... i think you're going to see support for the Warriors idea drop dramatically, but I'm just guessing.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by tshile

Well, the suggestion to use Warriors is normally accompanied with "... and keep the logo and the colors and the rest of the imagery" which I didn't really mention in the part you seem to object to.

So yes - if they change it to warriors and move away from the Native American imagery then that would work. But that's rarely the suggestion... the people suggesting Warriors and keeping everything else have not researched the issue well enough to realize that the name Warriors, when accompanied with Native American imagery, has been protested as disparaging/offensive/etc before. That was my point

So if the concern is about offending Native Americans... changing to Warriors and keeping everything else the same is not an option....

I think if you offered Warriors as the option and said we'll change to some european/mid-evil theme.... i think you're going to see support for the Warriors idea drop dramatically, but I'm just guessing.

Our own U.S. soldiers are warriors. Use the head of a helmeted U.S. soldier as the logo. Rewrite the words of the team song "Hail to the Warriors" and keep the team colors. Done.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Our own U.S. soldiers are warriors. Use the head of a helmeted U.S. soldier as the logo. Rewrite the words of the team song "Hail to the Warriors", Keep the team colors. Done.

See, but that's a bit of a sticky point as well. I know plenty of people who get really pissed when athletes are called 'heroes' or are compared to soldiers going through combat. Remember this story? Winslow 'regrets' making comments - College Football - ESPN

Seems like there's a catch-22 for just about anything, so maybe I'm coming around on the whole "Washington FC" idea.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by tshile

Well, the suggestion to use Warriors is normally accompanied with "... and keep the logo and the colors and the rest of the imagery" which I didn't really mention in the part you seem to object to.

So yes - if they change it to warriors and move away from the Native American imagery then that would work. But that's rarely the suggestion... the people suggesting Warriors and keeping everything else have not researched the issue well enough to realize that the name Warriors, when accompanied with Native American imagery, has been protested as disparaging/offensive/etc before. That was my point

So if the concern is about offending Native Americans... changing to Warriors and keeping everything else the same is not an option....

I think if you offered Warriors as the option and said we'll change to some european/mid-evil theme.... i think you're going to see support for the Warriors idea drop dramatically, but I'm just guessing.

Agreed on everything (sorry, really bad day today).

[irish]

Originally Posted by tshile

Yup. And the primary complaint was that the Warriors was alongside Native American imagery.

Anyone honestly suggesting Warriors as an option needs to do their homework. We'll be back in the same boat eventually, it's just a matter of time.

The people demanding the name change and suggesting Warriors as an alternative... well, it shows how much they know about the offensiveness they claim to care so much about.

True. I also think about William & Mary which is called the Tribe. They used to use 2 feathers as a logo and that was deemed a no-no so they kept the name Tribe and use a stupid looking griffin creature now.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by irish

True. I also think about William & Mary which is called the Tribe. They used to use 2 feathers as a logo and that was deemed a no-no so they kept the name Tribe and use a stupid looking griffin creature now.

you know how stupid that sounds along with the Marquette thing?

[irish]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

you know how stupid that sounds along with the Marquette thing?

It very stupid. Some other colleges I can think of is St. John's changing from Redmen to Red Storm, Stanford changing from Indians to Cardinal, and Indiana U of Pa changing from the Indians to Red Hawks. I remember awhile back (maybe the 90s) that the NCAA went on an anti-NA name and imagery campaign and threatened schools with not being allowed to participate in or host events if they continued with these "offensive" names and images.