Redskins Trademark cancelled

[los panda]

bravehearts?!? why is braves not an option?

[ram29jackson]

LOL now they are going after the Chiefs LOL, they are getting desperate

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by los panda

bravehearts?!? why is braves not an option?

Why does it need to be an Indian name?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Why does it need to be an Indian name?

Identity. You gotta understand that not everybody on this board is a resident of the D.C. area, surrounding areas, or has been at some point. For me, I grew up 5 hours away from D.C. That isn't exactly being a part of the area, even though most of all Virginia is a Redskins state. So for me, I identified with the team by their name, logos, and color of uniforms. I don't have that hometown attachment to the team. So, if the team moved out west and still called themselves the Redskins, I'd still root for that team even if a new team moved into the D.C. area.

Having said that, I feel that most fans could embrace a name change if the change wasn't a complete and total change away from what the team is now. A name that could still embrace the old identity, colors, even the logo - if not for a transitional period. And then, once fans are used to calling the team the new name, then other changes (main colors if need be, logo, etc...) could gradually be mixed in. Over time, the change and transition isn't quite as harsh.

I understand the thoughts of some to just change the name completely, get rid of everything Washington Redskins, and just move on so that we're not having to hear about people like Susan Harjo or Amanda Blackhorse. But the truth is, that would be a very polarizing change. The hometown fans would embrace whatever, but the admirers from far away would be left feeling as if we got robbed.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Identity. You gotta understand that not everybody on this board is a resident of the D.C. area, surrounding areas, or has been at some point. For me, I grew up 5 hours away from D.C. That isn't exactly being a part of the area, even though most of all Virginia is a Redskins state. So for me, I identified with the team by their name, logos, and color of uniforms. I don't have that hometown attachment to the team. So, if the team moved out west and still called themselves the Redskins, I'd still root for that team even if a new team moved into the D.C. area.

Having said that, I feel that most fans could embrace a name change if the change wasn't a complete and total change away from what the team is now. A name that could still embrace the old identity, colors, even the logo - if not for a transitional period. And then, once fans are used to calling the team the new name, then other changes (main colors if need be, logo, etc...) could gradually be mixed in. Over time, the change and transition isn't quite as harsh.

I understand the thoughts of some to just change the name completely, get rid of everything Washington Redskins, and just move on so that we're not having to hear about people like Susan Harjo or Amanda Blackhorse. But the truth is, that would be a very polarizing change. The hometown fans would embrace whatever, but the admirers from far away would be left feeling as if we got robbed.

Not really, I haven't lived anywhere near DC since 1973 and if we have to change names I want to dump the Indian thing entirely.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Why does it need to be an Indian name?

doesn't need to be, just made sense to me to revert back to our original name.

what part of [brave] "american indian warrior" is offensive?

if it was my team, i'd keep the redskins name until my profits hurt or until they made me change it > i would change it back to braves, and keep our current logo.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by los panda

doesn't need to be, just made sense to me to revert back to our original name.

what part of [brave] "american indian warrior" is offensive?

if it was my team, i'd keep the redskins name until my profits hurt or until they made me change it > i would change it back to braves, and keep our current logo.

Supposedly, Native American mascots "dehumanize" Native Americans.

If the name changes, we need to stay away from all Native American references. Because if we don't, we will run into this baloney again. Unless we make a clear distinction to let people know we're not referencing Native Americans, I say no to Braves, Warriors, and any other similar terms.

[ram29jackson]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Supposedly, Native American mascots "dehumanize" Native Americans.

If the name changes, we need to stay away from all Native American references. Because if we don't, we will run into this baloney again. Unless we make a clear distinction to let people know we're not referencing Native Americans, I say no to Braves, Warriors, and any other similar terms.

giving into fools is not the answer

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by ram29jackson

giving into fools is not the answer

What's your solution?

I don't see any way to effectively fight the wave of PCness that is sweeping the country. If it were just white governement liberals and the current minority of NAs that made up this particular part of the wave(the anti-Redskins angle), we could fight back. But this wave is like a tornado, tearing through the country and sucking up pretty much everyone in its path. It is now quite popular to either be offended at something, or to jump on someone else's "offense" bandwagon and go to town... or court... or the internet... and spread whatever outrage you're offended by, in order to gain the masses' sympathy, and/or soothe your own guilty conscience, and/or attempt to lift yourself up by putting on a show of sympathy or despairing offendedness. And so because of that, there's not just a few pro-name change people like there were in 90s; it's the majority of the country now, in my opinion. Seriously, there's even Redskins fans who have given in and have pity for those on the pro-name change side.

Remember this quote: "It isn't what it is, Tommy. It is never what it is. It's what it can be made to look like?" That is truth, ladies and gentleman... unfortunately, these people are very good at making the Redskins and our name look bad.

As long as Snyder is the owner, I think it's doubtful the name will change, unless some higher authority steps in and absolutely forces him to change it, which isn't entirely out of the question. I hope he continues to fight as long as possible, but I really don't see any way he can win.