Redskins Trademark cancelled

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

For that last line, there are plenty of Seminole tribes. And most dont accept Florida State using it as a mascot. A single Seminole tribe in Florida gave the OK to the NCAA for use of the nickname, after a deal was made between that single tribe and Florida State. Florida State gets their approval to continue using the name, and kids from that single Seminole tribe that graduate HS get a scholarship to attend Florida State.

What is referred to as Seminole Nation, which is located in Oklahoma, has called for the name to change. They are against it. Susan Harjo went on to call that single Seminole tribe in Florida "A bunch of sellouts".

Central Michigan has also got the approval of a single Chippewa tribe, not from all Chippewa's.

As for why the other names are considered that, all you have to do is click the link supplied by SirLK26 just a few posts before yours.

A lot of Indians cant stand that Chiefs is used (some of which dont have a problem with a football team call the redskins). A Chief in their society is not something you just call yourself. It is an earned position and only a very select few are allowed to call themselves. A lot of Indians believe that Chiefs as a mascot is demeaning and racist to Indians as well as their culture.

Ok , please understand I'm not trying to make this hard but the word Chief is used by many different cultures ,what makes the NA think they control the way the word is used .We have people who have come from Africa at work and are called Chief ,he is a real Chief and takes the fact that we address him as such as a sign of respect .What if you are a Chief Petty Officer ,I'm not making lite of this but I'm trying to understand where it will end ?Not liking it used is one thing but they are not derogatory ,the word Seminole is not derogatory in anyway .

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Ok , please understand I'm not trying to make this hard but the word Chief is used by many different cultures ,what makes the NA think they control the way the word is used .We have people who have come from Africa at work and are called Chief ,he is a real Chief and takes the fact that we address him as such as a sign of respect .What if you are a Chief Petty Officer ,I'm not making lite of this but I'm trying to understand where it will end ?Not liking it used is one thing but they are not derogatory ,the word Seminole is not derogatory in anyway .

Something tells me that Kansas City, with a stadium called arrowhead and its use of Indian imagery, is not named after a Chief Petty Officer. I could be wrong, but something tells me that I am not.

Also, if you call an actual Indian Chief a Chief, Im sure they will take it as a sign of respect. But there is no Indian Chief associated with the Kansas City Chiefs.

Im also not sure why you are trying to convince me of this. Im not the one lobbying Congress and had successfully lobbied the NCAA in the past about it. If Indians arent against these names, then why did the NCAA ban the use if Indian mascots at their request? Why is Stanford no longer called the Indians but are now called the Cardinals? Why did Florida State be required to get the consent of a Seminole Indian tribe and then have to go through a hearing with the NCAA to keep the name?

The Indians against the use of Redskins are against any and all Indian imagery used as mascots or any other for profit situation for that matter and call them all demeaning and racist. You have to ask them why, not me.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Something tells me that Kansas City, with a stadium called arrowhead and its use of Indian imagery, is not named after a Chief Petty Officer. I could be wrong, but something tells me that I am not.

Also, if you call an actual Indian Chief a Chief, Im sure they will take it as a sign of respect. But there is no Indian Chief associated with the Kansas City Chiefs.

Im also not sure why you are trying to convince me of this. Im not the one lobbying Congress and had successfully lobbied the NCAA in the past about it. If Indians arent against these names, then why did the NCAA ban the use if Indian mascots at their request? Why is Stanford no longer called the Indians but are now called the Cardinals? Why did Florida State be required to get the consent of a Seminole Indian tribe and then have to go through a hearing with the NCAA to keep the name?

The Indians against the use of Redskins are against any and all Indian imagery used as mascots or any other for profit situation for that matter and call them all demeaning and racist. You have to ask them why, not me.

Stanford is not the Cardinals (as in the bird). They are the Cardinal for the color of red they use.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by irish

Stanford is not the Cardinals (as in the bird). They are the Cardinal for the color of red they use.

I dont really care what its named after, its no longer Indians, which was my point. Although I do believe Stanford made that decision prior to the NCAA demanding it, but the name change was still done at the request of Indians.

Originally Posted by skinsguy

LOL! Absolutely not! Several Native Americans have went on record saying that calling them "chief" is a sure fire way of starting a fight.

I think you misread what I typed. I did not say to call any Indian a Chief. I said to call an Indian Chief a Chief. An Indian that is already recognized as a Chief and has earned the position of a Chief.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

I dont really care what its named after, its no longer Indians, which was my point. Although I do believe Stanford made that decision prior to the NCAA demanding it, but the name change was still done at the request of Indians.



I think you misread what I typed. I did not say to call any Indian a Chief. I said to call an Indian Chief a Chief. An Indian that is already recognized as a Chief and has earned the position of a Chief.

Cardinals is a common mistake that is made when talking about the Stanford nickname.

The indian was removed as the Stanford nickname in the 1970s when some Native American Stanford students raised the issue.

Stanford Native American Cultural Center

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Something tells me that Kansas City, with a stadium called arrowhead and its use of Indian imagery, is not named after a Chief Petty Officer. I could be wrong, but something tells me that I am not.

Yeah. I've heard some Chief fans say that their name doesn't have to refer to Native Americans, but when you have a tomahawk symbol on your helmet and a stadium called "Arrowhead", that usually points to Native American imagery.

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Also, if you call an actual Indian Chief a Chief, Im sure they will take it as a sign of respect. But there is no Indian Chief associated with the Kansas City Chiefs.

LOL! Absolutely not! Several Native Americans have went on record saying that calling them "chief" is a sure fire way of starting a fight.

Originally Posted by Skinzman

The Indians against the use of Redskins are against any and all Indian imagery used as mascots or any other for profit situation for that matter and call them all demeaning and racist. You have to ask them why, not me.

I still believe it all comes down to money. Offer a piece of the pie to the Native Americans who are coming out against these names and imagery, and you'll probably have a much different story. Just like the guy who's suing the Cleveland Indians for $2 billion. He's not asking for the betterment of "racial equality"...he's asking to become an instant multi-billinonare.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Something tells me that Kansas City, with a stadium called arrowhead and its use of Indian imagery, is not named after a Chief Petty Officer. I could be wrong, but something tells me that I am not.

Also, if you call an actual Indian Chief a Chief, Im sure they will take it as a sign of respect. But there is no Indian Chief associated with the Kansas City Chiefs.

Im also not sure why you are trying to convince me of this. Im not the one lobbying Congress and had successfully lobbied the NCAA in the past about it. If Indians arent against these names, then why did the NCAA ban the use if Indian mascots at their request? Why is Stanford no longer called the Indians but are now called the Cardinals? Why did Florida State be required to get the consent of a Seminole Indian tribe and then have to go through a hearing with the NCAA to keep the name?

The Indians against the use of Redskins are against any and all Indian imagery used as mascots or any other for profit situation for that matter and call them all demeaning and racist. You have to ask them why, not me.

Exactly. The Chiefs could do away with the arrow on the helmet, let someone sponsor the stadium and insist the name no longer has anything to do with Native Americans. Redskins could do the same. Logos don't need to match the name.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Exactly. The Chiefs could do away with the arrow on the helmet, let someone sponsor the stadium and insist the name no longer has anything to do with Native Americans. Redskins could do the same. Logos don't need to match the name.

And I'm sure the Chiefs fans would immediately stop going to games like this:

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

And I'm sure the Chiefs fans would immediately stop going to games like this:

They should. They look like idiots. Or the team could choose not to allow fans that dress like that enter the stadium. There are probably less than 100 that go to each game anyway. Far less at Skins games.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

They should. They look like idiots. Or the team could choose not to allow fans that dress like that enter the stadium. There are probably less than 100 that go to each game anyway. Far less at Skins games.

Or they can still allow them in and let Oneida and others take up their grievances with fans. Every Halloween store in the country sells Indian costumes for man, woman, boy and girl. It's well within their rights to picket Halloween stores if their gripe is with people dressing up in Indian garb. People are allowed to be offended by anything they want.

If the Chiefs put a police logo on their helmets and fans continued to dress up like Indians, then oh well. Not sure how anyone can still hold the team accountable for that. Even if the Skins change their name, I can see people still dressing up like Indians. Actually, you'd probably see even more people do it out of protest of the new name.