Browns On Monday Night

[CRedskinsRule]

Reading this thread I realize I have no idea what part of last year's mess was Kyle's, Mike's, or Griffin's. It certainly seems like many have assigned a good portion of it to Kyle, I tended to assign it to first Mike's ego, and then Mike/Kyle working together, and reserved a certain amount for Griffin's distrust and his desire to "be loved".

It will be interesting to see Kyle's offense, without his father's guiding or controlling hand over it. And as for Manziel, I just don't see him succeeding in the AFC north, playing Baltimore twice a year, along with Cinci and Pitt. But atleast he did seem to know how to slide. (after going headfirst the first time)

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Reading this thread I realize I have no idea what part of last year's mess was Kyle's, Mike's, or Griffin's. It certainly seems like many have assigned a good portion of it to Kyle, I tended to assign it to first Mike's ego, and then Mike/Kyle working together, and reserved a certain amount for Griffin's distrust and his desire to "be loved".

It will be interesting to see Kyle's offense, without his father's guiding or controlling hand over it. And as for Manziel, I just don't see him succeeding in the AFC north, playing Baltimore twice a year, along with Cinci and Pitt. But atleast he did seem to know how to slide. (after going headfirst the first time)

Not sticking up for MS but the situation with RG3 got out of hand partly because of RG3's ego. Here you have a 1st-2nd year QB who's best buds with the owner and has become bigger than the team, and feels like he's entitled. Snyder did the same thing with Portis. Hopefully Snyder has learned that he can't pal around with players anymore and not piss off the other 52 players. MS obviously made the situation worse by being a rat and leaking things to the media. Then of course the benching. I think also part of the issue was RG3 not wanting to run RO.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Not sticking up for MS but the situation with RG3 got out of hand partly because of RG3's ego. Here you have a 1st-2nd year QB who's best buds with the owner and has become bigger than the team, and feels like he's entitled. Snyder did the same thing with Portis. Hopefully Snyder has learned that he can't pal around with players anymore and not piss off the other 52 players. MS obviously made the situation worse by being a rat and leaking things to the media. Then of course the benching. I think also part of the issue was RG3 not wanting to run RO.

I think that relationship with Snyder, and the distrust of Shanahan, probably started after the Seattle game and subsequent surgery. My understanding, from press reports only is that Snyder visited him on the day of, and that was important to him (hence why I said "feeling loved") and that Shanahan didn't visit at all. I don't fault Snyder at all for going to check on his star player, or any player - which I believe he would- after a major, career changing, injury and surgery. If it's true that Shanahan didn't I do blame him for that. I tend to put a lot on the old egotistical coach who felt threatened by the fame of an young up and coming qb. That is how Shanahan had been all his coaching career, sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't. In the end it didn't last year for sure.

And I had said in the post you quoted that RGIII holds some of the blame, but at 22-23, and being constantly in the spotlight, I think I minimize his blame some. If he doesn't get better along the way, then that will be a different way to frame the whole discussion.