Ravens v. Redskins Gameday Thread

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by punch it in

T-shile you watched the hit. Do you see him lead with his shoulder? That is NOT illegal. Nobody is saying BW didnt bring this on himself. Just saying that this particular hit and suspension for said hit is bogus. Whatever like MRedskin said the Jags and Texans arent exactly going to lead the league in air assault.

pause the video i linked at the 0:34 mark and tell me what BM is leading with.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

pause the video i linked at the 0:34 mark and tell me what BM is leading with.

At the 34 second mark i see the play from behind. At the 43 second mark i see shoulder first. You can clearly see him throwing his forearms in front of his body. As Matty said if you lead with the shoulder the head follows.
For what it is worth Smith himself called it a clean football play.
Edit: so did Burress. Another wr who had nothing to do with the play.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by punch it in

At the 34 second mark i see the play from behind. At the 43 second mark i see shoulder first. You can clearly see him throwing his forearms in front of his body. As Matty said if you lead with the shoulder the head follows.
For what it is worth Smith himself called it a clean football play.
Edit: so did Burress. Another wr who had nothing to do with the play.

yeah the video is hard to tell bc it is a poor quality. thanks for taking a look punch. at the :34 mark a second before impact i clearly see BM head down. imo (and i wont belabor the point again), there is a difference with leading with your head up (like the pierce hit) and leading with your head down/crown of your helmet (like the smith hit).

sucks bc entering this season, the next flag may lead to a 4+ game suspension and we cannot afford to lose BM for any extended period of time.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

yeah the video is hard to tell bc it is a poor quality. thanks for taking a look punch. at the :34 mark a second before impact i clearly see BM head down. imo (and i wont belabor the point again), there is a difference with leading with your head up (like the pierce hit) and leading with your head down/crown of your helmet (like the smith hit).



sucks bc entering this season, the next flag may lead to a 4+ game suspension and we cannot afford to lose BM for any extended period of time.

Certainly not a guy we want to lose at all considering our depth, or lack there of at S. I hear what you are saying about lowering the head. I said it before, playing S, and a WR catches a 20 yard pass you are thinking jar that ball loose. Cannot be easy to do running full speed - bang bang play. I agree he needs to keep his head up. I think the refs/ league need to take a really good look at the WR's body motion before the hit. If the WR is lowering his head in a defensive motion than I just am not sure how the DB is supposed to avoid it. Hopefully like you said BW figures it out before we lose him for an extended time period.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Certainly not a guy we want to lose at all considering our depth, or lack there of at S. I hear what you are saying about lowering the head. I said it before, playing S, and a WR catches a 20 yard pass you are thinking jar that ball loose. Cannot be easy to do running full speed - bang bang play. I agree he needs to keep his head up. I think the refs/ league need to take a really good look at the WR's body motion before the hit. If the WR is lowering his head in a defensive motion than I just am not sure how the DB is supposed to avoid it. Hopefully like you said BW figures it out before we lose him for an extended time period.

i think it is a no-brainer that personal flags for helmet to helmet/hitting a defenseless player in the head will be subject to review. im not sure if it will be a ref instituted review, an auto review like they do for turnovers and scores or take a coach challenge but a in-game review is the easiest solution and coming next season.

KI - i think the NFL in part wants to say they did everything they could to prevent death or traumatic brain injury before a player dies or goes into a trauma induced coma on the field. make no mistake about it, a player will die on the field. whether it be this year, 5 years or 20 years from now .. a dale earnhardt type moment is coming. whether the NFL is doing this to truly prevent that or just CYA is up for debate.

[KI Skins Fan]

[QUOTE=over the mountain;1079168]i think it is a no-brainer that personal flags for helmet to helmet/hitting a defenseless player in the head will be subject to review. im not sure if it will be a ref instituted review, an auto review like they do for turnovers and scores or take a coach challenge but a in-game review is the easiest solution and coming next season./QUOTE]

It won't necessarily be the solution because the league office reserves the right to fine and suspend players for h-to-h hits even if a penalty isn't called.

What happens when a penalty is called and then overruled only to have the player fined or suspended by the league office?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

pause the video i linked at the 0:34 mark and tell me what BM is leading with.

He is leading with his shoulder and his head is tucked down and in. Compare the angle at the :34 mark with the angle at the :41 mark. If he comes in head up, it would have been face mask to face mask. Really, BM or not, given the angle of approach, hitting the WR's head was an almost impossible task on that play without whiffing on the WR altogether.

It's a bang-bang play and it appears - to me - BM was actually tucking his head in an attempt to lead with the shoulder b/c anything short of that was going to end in a head shot. It's close, but, given BM's history, he will never, ever get that call.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

He is leading with his shoulder and his head is tucked down and in. Compare the angle at the :34 mark with the angle at the :41 mark. If he comes in head up, it would have been face mask to face mask. Really, BM or not, given the angle of approach, hitting the WR's head was an almost impossible task on that play without whiffing on the WR altogether.



It's a bang-bang play and it appears - to me - BM was actually tucking his head in an attempt to lead with the shoulder b/c anything short of that was going to end in a head shot. It's close, but, given BM's history, he will never, ever get that call.

Exactly how i see it.
Edit : if we cant beat the Jags without BM the season is over early anyway.