New Stadium for the Redskins being planned . . .

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

#4) Again you are wrong ,if you have a good stadium and a good marketing team they can make money .Scroll down and see ,NJ makes money at Met Life !MetLife Stadium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm sorry. Exactly where in that link does it show NJ makes money from the stadium? Have you got a breakdown between the costs of maintenance vs the income they receive?

If you are pointing to the concerts as the revenue, I have to remind you that it's the artists/performer who nets most of that money, not the venue.

I'm almost 100% sure that NJ lost money during the Super Bowl.


In Stadium Building Spree, U.S. Taxpayers Lose $4 Billion - Bloomberg

As per norm, Giantone doesn't know what he's talking about. Most cities lose out with new stadiums. The studies have been done.


I can post many articles and reports saying the same thing. It's all contradictory to what the NFL promises.

http://web.williams.edu/Economics/wp...nSuperbowl.pdf

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I'm sorry. Exactly where in that link does it show NJ makes money from the stadium? Have you got a breakdown between the costs of maintenance vs the income they receive?

If you are pointing to the concerts as the revenue, I have to remind you that it's the artists/performer who nets most of that money, not the venue.

I'm almost 100% sure that NJ lost money during the Super Bowl.


In Stadium Building Spree, U.S. Taxpayers Lose $4 Billion - Bloomberg

As per norm, Giantone doesn't know what he's talking about. Most cities lose out with new stadiums. The studies have been done.


I can post many articles and reports saying the same thing. It's all contradictory to what the NFL promises.

http://web.williams.edu/Economics/wp...nSuperbowl.pdf

AS I pointed out NY/NY didn't I did not say all and as always you are getting things mixed up again ,we were talking about financing the stadiums not infrastructure and up in NY/NJ it was the NY/NJ Metropolitan stadium authority that was responsible for the infrastructure .AS for making money the statement was made that the only people making money on New Stadiums were the" owners,builders and players" and I said that wasn't and still isn't true now I'll admit it might not be in the billions but NY/NJ MSA is making some money off the concerts and other events ,who do you think gets the parking money ?I guess you think that the restaurants bars and hotels made no money during the Superbowl that they additional traffic doesn't pay tolls on the turnpike ???

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I'm sorry.


In Stadium Building Spree, U.S. Taxpayers Lose $4 Billion - Bloomberg

As per norm, Giantone doesn't know what he's talking about. Most cities lose out with new stadiums. The studies have been done.

At what point did I say "all stadiums built" , your link is talking about over all including baseball and soccer . Not Met Life in NJ, show me that article where the taxpayers paid for that stadium and then you would be right ...but you are not, as always .

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Giantone

At what point did I say "all stadiums built" , your link is talking about over all including baseball and soccer . Not Met Life in NJ, show me that article where the taxpayers paid for that stadium and then you would be right ...but you are not, as always .

Just like FedEx-physical stadium privately financed, surrounding infrastructure funded by taxpayers

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Just like FedEx-physical stadium privately financed, surrounding infrastructure funded by taxpayers

Exactly!!!

[saden1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Just like FedEx-physical stadium privately financed, surrounding infrastructure funded by taxpayers

Cook paid 180 million and the tax payer paid 70 million. What infrastructure did tax payers pay for exactly? The road to enter and exit the stadium? Or perhaps I missed all the hip go-to spots near the stadium.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by saden1

Cook paid 180 million and the tax payer paid 70 million. What infrastructure did tax payers pay for exactly? The road to enter and exit the stadium? Or perhaps I missed all the hip go-to spots near the stadium.

Pretty clear that you have never been to Fed Ex ,good night .

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Pretty clear that you have never been to Fed Ex ,good night .

Really? I am pretty sure one of the reasons I wouldn't help Snyder if he was on fire is because he sold me obstructed view tickets. He didn't even have the decency to put big screen TVs in front of those seats to compensate. I hope that mofo combust one of these days.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by saden1

Cook paid 180 million and the tax payer paid 70 million. What infrastructure did tax payers pay for exactly? The road to enter and exit the stadium? Or perhaps I missed all the hip go-to spots near the stadium.

That's a good question. I would like to see exactly what roads and other infrastructure that was built.

Cooke agreed to build the stadium contingent on the terms that the city would assume responsibility for the infrastructure and parking. - See more at: FedEx Field, Washington Redskins football stadium - Stadiums of Pro Football

According to this, they had to pay for the parking. Does the county get parking fees or do they go to Danny? If the fees go to Danny, I have a huge problem with this.


Also, it looks like parking prices have gone up.

Redskins parking fees at FedExField skyrocket - DC News FOX 5 DC WTTG

[saden1]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

That's a good question. I would like to see exactly what roads and other infrastructure that was built.



According to this, they had to pay for the parking. Does the county get parking fees or do they go to Danny? If the fees go to Danny, I have a huge problem with this.


Also, it looks like parking prices have gone up.

Redskins parking fees at FedExField skyrocket - DC News FOX 5 DC WTTG

LOL...what a deal.

Well, besides fedex parking he has full monopoly on the church and businesses next door. I remember parking a mile away in an office complex and still having to pay 30 dollars.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by saden1

Cook paid 180 million and the tax payer paid 70 million. What infrastructure did tax payers pay for exactly? The road to enter and exit the stadium? Or perhaps I missed all the hip go-to spots near the stadium.

land, roads, power lines, sewer services. I don't think I ever said it was an equal amount of money paid by Cooke and his investors and the taxpayers

[saden1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

land, roads, power lines, sewer services. I don't think I ever said it was an equal amount of money paid by Cooke and his investors and the taxpayers

I sated the facts and inquired about what tax payers got for their money. From the looks of it, not much. I would think the billionaire building his dream stadium should be on the hook for buying the land, building roads around it to make sure it's not a traffic nightmare, works out a deal with the power and sewer company to bring power sewer service to a stadium in the middle of nowhere.

Then again, if Paul Allen can get tax payers to pay 200 of the 300 million it took to build CenturyLink field the problem isn't the billionaire, it's the people and the politicians they elect.

[irish]

Originally Posted by saden1

I sated the facts and inquired about what tax payers got for their money. From the looks of it, not much. I would think the billionaire building his dream stadium should be on the hook for buying the land, building roads around it to make sure it's not a traffic nightmare, works out a deal with the power and sewer company to bring power sewer service to a stadium in the middle of nowhere.

Then again, if Paul Allen can get tax payers to pay 200 of the 300 million it took to build CenturyLink field the problem isn't the billionaire, it's the people and the politicians they elect.

Its been shown over and over again by study after study that these stadiums dont provide the benefit they say they will for the locality where they are built.

When I lived in Pgh back in the 90s and they wanted to replace 3 Rivers with what is now PNC Park and Heinz Field they held a public referendum in the city and surrounding counties on whether to raise taxes to build these stadiums. The vote came in 2 to 1 to not raise taxes. The city and counties quickly went to what they called Plan B which was Plan A (raise taxes for the stadiums) without the referendum. These taxpayer funded stadiums are a joke and there's no way I'd ever vote to give any of these free-loaders any money for a stadium when there are so many other pressing problems. If they say they will leave then I'd thank them for their time in the city and wish them well.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I'm sorry. Exactly where in that link does it show NJ makes money from the stadium? Have you got a breakdown between the costs of maintenance vs the income they receive?

If you are pointing to the concerts as the revenue, I have to remind you that it's the artists/performer who nets most of that money, not the venue.

I'm almost 100% sure that NJ lost money during the Super Bowl.


In Stadium Building Spree, U.S. Taxpayers Lose $4 Billion - Bloomberg

As per norm, Giantone doesn't know what he's talking about. Most cities lose out with new stadiums. The studies have been done.


I can post many articles and reports saying the same thing. It's all contradictory to what the NFL promises.

http://web.williams.edu/Economics/wp...nSuperbowl.pdf

It's pretty hard to argue with his tight logic.

In our world if you have 500 dollars to spend and you spend it all on tailgating you aren't going to spend it at the local restaurant. In Giantone's world people don't have finite discretionary income and you don't have to make an either/or decisions.

In our world when the billionaire baseball owner threatens to leave town unless the public finance his new stadium the billionaire football owner is likely to ask for the same deal. In Giantone's world baseball and football have nothing to do with each other.

In our world the stadiums mostly generate seasonally low wage jobs and the tax payer never recoups the money they put in to building it. In Giantone's world everyone makes money and that's that.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by saden1

It's pretty hard to argue with his tight logic.

In our world if you have 500 dollars to spend and you spend it all on tailgating you aren't going to spend it at the local restaurant. In Giantone's world people don't have finite discretionary income and you don't have to make an either/or decisions.

In our world when the billionaire baseball owner threatens to leave town unless the public finance his new stadium the billionaire football owner is likely to ask for the same deal. In Giantone's world baseball and football have nothing to do with each other. .

Can you read at all ????