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[donofriose]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

That whole withdrawal from Gaza thing didn't work out. As long as rockets and terrorism continue, let the Israelis expand as they see fit. Yes, the cycle of violence continues. Ultimate responsibility lies with the group that has it in their charter to obliterate the other side, keeps breaking the ceasefires, and makes no effort to avoid civilian casualties.

That describes both sides...

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by donofriose

That describes both sides...

Really, not saying Israel is perfect, but what other army calls up the home/businesses/whatever they are attacking to warn the occupants to leave, before attacking?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Really, not saying Israel is perfect, but what other army calls up the home/businesses/whatever they are attacking to warn the occupants to leave, before attacking?

you mean like 2008 when they told everyone they wouldn't be attacking the UN school compound, people went there, and then they bombed it anyways?

or when they use white phosphorus and accidentally burnt the palestine food aid?

you're taking one detail that they sometimes give warning and ignoring the other details involving thousands of detentions, hundreds of civilian deaths, and a planned overt land grab over 3 dead israelis. the reaction is just not proportional.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by That Guy

you mean like 2008 when they told everyone they wouldn't be attacking the UN school compound, people went there, and then they bombed it anyways?

or when they use white phosphorus and accidentally burnt the palestine food aid?

you're taking one detail that they sometimes give warning and ignoring the other details involving thousands of detentions, hundreds of civilian deaths, and a planned overt land grab over 3 dead israelis. the reaction is just not proportional.

Not just "one detail", you are the one cherry picking, as far back as 2008, to try making Isreal look as bad as the Hamas terrorist organization.

Keep in mind all of the above, even spun as you did, is in response to unprovoked rocket and other terrorist attacks by Palestinians. (Unprovoked, because they occur whether Israel withdraws from or occupies land, and simple existing isn't justifiable provocation to be attacked.)

What Israel is saying:

Methods of Avoiding Civilian Casualties
1. Phone calls: (snip)
2. Leaflets: (snip)
3. 3. Diverting missiles in mid-flight (snip)


What Hamas is saying:

First, the ministry calling all our people not to deal or pay attention to the psychological warfare carried out by the occupation through rumors that broadcast across his media and delivering publications and communications on the phones of citizens, and the lack of response for each of these means, which aims to weaken the domestic front in light of great steadfastness of our people to face the aggression.

So to recruit more terrorists, Hams is less concerned about Palestinian civilians than Israel is. And don't forget the total indiscriminate Palestinian rocket attacks on Israeli civilians.

And aside from the difficulties in hitting target accurately, Hamas hiding behind civilians and other "safe" areas, makes it harder to avoid civilian casualties.

The United Nations has found troves of rockets hidden in three of its schools since the conflict began. “We condemn the group or groups who endangered civilians by placing these munitions in our school,” Chris Gunness, spokesman for the U.N. Relief and Works Agency, said in statement published Wednesday by the Times of Israel. “This is yet another flagrant violation of the neutrality of our premises. We call on all the warring parties to respect the inviolability of U.N. property.”

Earlier this month, the United Nations also found rockets piled inside one of its vacant schools — near other schools used to accommodate displaced people.

So quit pretending that Hamas isn't the party actually responsible for civilian deaths in Gaza. In addition to being responsible for their own attacks on Israel.