Skins-Jags Positives and Negatives

[MTK]

Originally Posted by tshile

Are we making our decisions based off one game against a terrible team that spent a week preparing for the other guy?

With Griffin out things should have gotten easier for the Jags D, not having to worry about the read option and running threat.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

With Griffin out things should have gotten easier for the Jags D, not having to worry about the read option and running threat.

No instead they had to worry about a QB that could read the field, not take off at the first sense of pressure, and could get rid of the ball before being hit. Just saying, there is something to be said for game prep for their different styles.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by WillH

No instead they had to worry about a QB that could read the field, not take off at the first sense of pressure, and could get rid of the ball before being hit. Just saying, there is something to be said for game prep for their different styles.

I think most teams would rather play a pocket QB vs a guy that can run and make plays on the edge.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think most teams would rather play a pocket QB vs a guy that can run and make plays on the edge.

I'm not sure I agree with that. Mobile QBs can be frustrating, but a skilled pocket passer can roll right over defenses.

Would you rather play Peyton Manning in his prime, or Michael Vick?

I know neither of our QBs are anything like them, but I'm just making a point.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by WillH

I'm not sure I agree with that. Mobile QBs can be frustrating, but a skilled pocket passer can roll right over defenses.

Would you rather play Peyton Manning in his prime, or Michael Vick?

I know neither of our QBs are anything like them, but I'm just making a point.

It's more difficult to prep for a running QB because of the off script plays. And coverages tend to break down as the play extends leading to big plays. At least with a pocket guy you know where he's going to be all the time. A guy that can run and throw just adds a different dynamic. With Cousins in there you can bet the Jags weren't worried about him taking off.

[scowan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

It's more difficult to prep for a running QB because of the off script plays. And coverages tend to break down as the play extends leading to big plays. At least with a pocket guy you know where he's going to be all the time. A guy that can run and throw just adds a different dynamic. With Cousins in there you can bet the Jags weren't worried about him taking off.

I agree that Cousins is not a running QB, but he is mobile. When the streach runs are working and he can bootleg, and he usually does pretty well with those. He didn't have Deshawn Jackson at all and he still played well and Garcon caught maybe one pass. If they can get him more in tune with those guys who are legit playmakers, he could be even better. I mean really you had Niles Paul and A. Roberts making all the plays. just imagine if Garcon and DJax were there as well.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by WillH

No instead they had to worry about a QB that could read the field, not take off at the first sense of pressure, and could get rid of the ball before being hit. Just saying, there is something to be said for game prep for their different styles.

If your defense or offense can not adapt on the fly you should not be in the NFL. This is football not brain surgery.

[tshile]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

With Griffin out things should have gotten easier for the Jags D, not having to worry about the read option and running threat.

Generally speaking I agree with you, but we've seen backup QB's come in and play lights out before despite not being better than the one they're filling in for (we've seen plenty do it against us...)

You prepare for certain things then you have someone total different come in with a different style, different set of abilities, and potentially different set of play calls.

You guys want to use 3 1/2 quarters against Jacksonville to anoint Cousins a play maker as a QB - go right ahead

I'll wait and see what the whole body of work of a season looks like. When he's the one getting the reps all week, and when he's the one the defense is preparing against.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by tshile

You guys want to use 3 1/2 quarters against Jacksonville to anoint Cousins a play maker as a QB - go right ahead

Meanwhile you try to put the dreaded "game manager" label on him based on absolutely nothing.

[tshile]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Meanwhile you try to put the dreaded "game manager" label on him based on absolutely nothing.

No I didn't. Not even close to what I said.

What I said was...

Originally Posted by tshile

Yeah, it depends.

If he's a game managing QB then I'll still be curious what the team looks like with Griffin. I won't want to settle for a game manager that lets the rest of the team win he game.

If he looks good... if he looks like a comfortable qb that can make big plays and more importantly make smart plays on a regular basis...

Well. Then Griffin is relegated to backup duty

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As a response to the idea that if Cousins leads the team to the playoffs he'll get the starting job over Griffin.

Which is true. There's 11 guys on the field at a time, with 3 different units playing at different times. In general, the total quality of the team is rarely tied exclusively to one player.

It's completely possible the redskins win 10, 11, 12 games this year with Cousins being a game manager and the rest of the team playing really well. In my opinion that wouldn't mean he deserves to start over Griffin.

He goes out there and leads the team, plays really well, makes big and smart plays, then yeah... He'll earn the job in my opinion.