Around the League: Week 2

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by tshile

the trial is scheduled for 2015.

what are they supposed to do?

deactivate him until his trial, continuing to pay him to do nothing?

have the NFL dish out punishment before the justice system has its say?

do they completely disregard the legal system and kick him out of the league? is there a process for that that is fair as well as capable of pleasing the court of public opinion?

this is why the NFL's move (back around when Vick got in trouble) to run as some moral police over their league parallel to the justice system was stupid. i, as well as many others, said it at the time (we can't say much now though, because you're attacked when you do.) it only leads down one path, and this is that path.

the NFL is going to look super stupid when Rice wins his appeal for being disciplined twice for the same thing, all as a PR move.

the league needs to reverse course. they're a business and they should discipline players of on the field issues and let the legal system handle off the field issues.

there is no winning. there will be mistakes, uneven punishments, and situations that don't make sense.

if they don't then their only other option is to way over discipline players. and i'll laugh my ass off when all these righteous redskins fans start complaining about how unfair it is one of our guys got a ridiculous punishment before being found guilty of anything.

I have mixed emotions about this, on one hand I do think the NFL should wait to see what the justice system says, but on the other hand they are public figures and are held accountable in ways that the average public is and they know that when they sign their contract. I work in education and I recognize that being an educator of the youth my private life has to remain exactly that. If a family sees me having a drink at the bar and tells the administration at my school that I was drunk I might find myself at the warehouse instead of the classroom until an investigation is completed. Is it fair? no but it comes with the territory.

[tshile]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I have mixed emotions about this, on one hand I do think the NFL should wait to see what the justice system says, but on the other hand they are public figures and are held accountable in ways that the average public is and they know that when they sign their contract. I work in education and I recognize that being an educator of the youth my private life has to remain exactly that. If a family sees me having a drink at the bar and tells the administration at my school that I was drunk I might find myself at the warehouse instead of the classroom until an investigation is completed. Is it fair? no but it comes with the territory.

It comes with the territory you allow it to come with.

Yes, society has reached the point that as a teacher you cannot been seen doing that. The same people that treat you as an over-paid babysitter can't stand the idea that you might be normal and enjoy a drink in your free time.

But do we want to further it more?

The same social forces going after the NFL, the Vikings, and the Ravens are the same ones coming after us for having a racist team name.

It's all righteous feel good stuff until its your team being targeted for whatever reason.

Be careful what we wish for.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by tshile

It comes with the territory you allow it to come with.



Yes, society has reached the point that as a teacher you cannot been seen doing that. The same people that treat you as an over-paid babysitter can't stand the idea that you might be normal and enjoy a drink in your free time.



But do we want to further it more?



The same social forces going after the NFL, the Vikings, and the Ravens are the same ones coming after us for having a racist team name.



It's all righteous feel good stuff until its your team being targeted for whatever reason.



Be careful what we wish for.

I wouldnt call wanting justice served for beating a woman or child "righteous feel good stuff". As far as the meaning/intent/origin of a nickname by a bunch of politicians looking for low hanging fruit to pounce on - sure.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by tshile

It comes with the territory you allow it to come with.

Yes, society has reached the point that as a teacher you cannot been seen doing that. The same people that treat you as an over-paid babysitter can't stand the idea that you might be normal and enjoy a drink in your free time.

But do we want to further it more?

The same social forces going after the NFL, the Vikings, and the Ravens are the same ones coming after us for having a racist team name.

It's all righteous feel good stuff until its your team being targeted for whatever reason.

Be careful what we wish for.

Except the racism stuff is being fueled by a minority and a lot of white guilt (my opinion on the guilt thing) and people just banged their drum over and over and over until folks finally started paying attention.

Killing dogs (who can't defend themselves), beating children (who also can't defend themselves) and throwing a left hook at your wife, I'm pretty sure are universally condemnable things.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Except the racism stuff is being fueled by a minority and a lot of white guilt (my opinion on the guilt thing) and people just banged their drum over and over and over until folks finally started paying attention.



Killing dogs (who can't defend themselves), beating children (who also can't defend themselves) and throwing a left hook at your wife, I'm pretty sure are universally condemnable things.

Thank you Rave. Glad im not the only one who was playing "which of these things doesnt belong!" Lol

[tshile]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Except the racism stuff is being fueled by a minority and a lot of white guilt (my opinion on the guilt thing) and people just banged their drum over and over and over until folks finally started paying attention.

Killing dogs (who can't defend themselves), beating children (who also can't defend themselves) and throwing a left hook at your wife, I'm pretty sure are universally condemnable things.

if those were the only examples you'd have a point and I'd be with right there with you.

this path only leads in one direction. it's interesting to watch, that's for sure.

Anyways, my point wasn't to equate the issues. It was to point out it's the same methods, used by the same people, to accomplish similar goals.

[ashvirtually]

Originally Posted by tshile

Anyways, my point wasn't to equate the issues. It was to point out it's the same methods, used by the same people, to accomplish similar goals.

You can not do one without the other. You can not attempt to say they use the same methods and people and have the same goals without some sort of equivocation.

And as was already said, one of those things is not like the others. In fact, one of those things is not in the same ballpark, the same league ... not even the same sport ... as the others.

[tshile]

Originally Posted by ashvirtually

You can not do one without the other. You can not attempt to say they use the same methods and people and have the same goals without some sort of equivocation.

And as was already said, one of those things is not like the others. In fact, one of those things is not in the same ballpark, the same league ... not even the same sport ... as the others.

the irony is there's a lot of people that think we're all racists and find our support for our team reprehensible. you're missing the point.

you can rationalize it all you want. go see how redskins fans are being treated on twitter.

oh well.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by tshile

the irony is there's a lot of people that think we're all racists and find our support for our team reprehensible. you're missing the point.



you can rationalize it all you want. go see how redskins fans are being treated on twitter.



oh well.

But are those people comparing us to child abusers or wife beaters? Just sort of apples and oranges you are talking but whatever.