Around the League: Week 2

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Giantone

So how do the NBA , MLB , MLS , Pro Golf ,NHL , how do these groups handle the same problems ?

The problem starts with society , not the NFL or Roger Goodell .

I almost hate to say it but for the most part it seems to be a much more common problem in the NFL. Most likely from sheer numbers seeing as how you have ~60 players under contract at any given time on 32 teams. Compare that to a league like the NBA where you have 15 players per team on 29 squads.

As far as the NBA is concerned their most high profile case right now is Greg Oden who hasn't seemed to have been formerly suspended but by the same token hasn't been signed by anyone so take that for what its worth. Though it should be mentioned that Oden admitted to punching his victim to police. So we'le see how that goes.
Judge grants Greg Oden delay in domestic violence case - ESPN

In the arrest report, Oden told police he had "punched her in the face" during an argument that had "gotten out of control."

The NHL's poster child for this dometic violence crusade is none other than former Cap Varlamov whose case seems to fall in that Big Ben category of something happened but we're not entirely sure what the hell it was.
Semyon Varlamov, Avalanche goalie, sees charges against him dropped - The Denver Post

Regardless its a cluster. Being called a wife beater or child abuser is among the worst labels you can assign to a human being. Its just below the next tier of rapist and pedophile. So on one hand it shouldn't be taken lightly. However the NFL hasn't exactly shown urgency when dealing with clear cut evidence. For example:

-Rice admitted to punching his fiance even before the tape was released to the public.

- Greg Hardy who was found guilty of assault back in July, has yet to be disciplined by the league.

- Peterson has admitted to striking his child and photos of the aftermath regarding the childs injuries have been released.

In short forget the cases within the he said-she said Bermuda triangle. We're talking about inaction on cases with clear cut evidence that have not been dealt with by the league in a timely manner. If the league can't handle the lay ups, how can they be expected to handle the more complicated cases?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

In short forget the cases within the he said-she said Bermuda triangle. We're talking about inaction on cases with clear cut evidence that have not been dealt with by the league in a timely manner. If the league can't handle the lay ups, how can they be expected to handle the more complicated cases?

Agreed ,the players who have been convicted no question ,the NFL and the teams should take action and be consistent with that action .

[tshile]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Agreed ,the players who have been convicted no question ,the NFL and the teams should take action and be consistent with that action .

Hah, that's not good enough these days.

Everyone wants the Court of Public Opinion to reign supreme.

That is... as long as The Court isn't focused on you and your own...

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by tshile

Hah, that's not good enough these days.

Everyone wants the Court of Public Opinion to reign supreme.

That is... as long as The Court isn't focused on you and your own...

Leaving Ray Rice out for just a min . Lets do some what if's ,what if some of the accusations thrown at some of these stars aren't true ? You make 11 million a year and a women says he hit me or an ex ......and many of you who have them have bitch about them for lying ,an ex says he abused my child ,and then find our months hell maybe even a year or two later it's not true , what then ?I ask because I know of a case similar and before the others jump me , NO I don,t believe in hitting kids or women and the ones that do should be fully prosecuted ,period .What if the accusations are not true ?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Leaving Ray Rice out for just a min . Lets do some what if's ,what if some of the accusations thrown at some of these stars aren't true ? You make 11 million a year and a women says he hit me or an ex ......and many of you who have them have bitch about them for lying ,an ex says he abused my child ,and then find our months hell maybe even a year or two later it's not true , what then ?I ask because I know of a case similar and before the others jump me , NO I don,t believe in hitting kids or women and the ones that do should be fully prosecuted ,period .What if the accusations are not true ?

I think the money gives the victim more reason to hide the abuse than to falsely accuse a NFL player. Especially now that careers are at stake. A silent victim can receive a lot of compensatory pay but if the accused suddenly has no income then what does a fake victim gain?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I think the money gives the victim more reason to hide the abuse than to falsely accuse a NFL player. Especially now that careers are at stake. A silent victim can receive a lot of compensatory pay but if the accused suddenly has no income then what does a fake victim gain?

Fame , take the Duke Lacrosse team ,hell even the teachers came out and ask for them to all be dismissed !



Really good read .

The Duke lacrosse rape scandal: The definitive account - Salon.com

[tshile]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Leaving Ray Rice out for just a min . Lets do some what if's ,what if some of the accusations thrown at some of these stars aren't true ? You make 11 million a year and a women says he hit me or an ex ......and many of you who have them have bitch about them for lying ,an ex says he abused my child ,and then find our months hell maybe even a year or two later it's not true , what then ?I ask because I know of a case similar and before the others jump me , NO I don,t believe in hitting kids or women and the ones that do should be fully prosecuted ,period .What if the accusations are not true ?

Hey, I'm with you. I've been railing against the dangers of the Court of Public Opinion and the type of people that push this stuff, the ways they do it, etc.

I was attacked for comparing the redskins name controversy to beating women and children. LOL.

It's not popular to point that stuff out... People don't like it. Due process is only supported when you're the one being accused of things.

Look at the number of cases of convicted (CONVICTED) women abusers since Goodell took over. **NOW** it's an issue?

Yes, it's a complete lack of decency on the NFL's part. Partly due to incompetence, partly due to greed, and I imagine partly do to just not caring.

But there's a ridiculous amount of hypocrisy in this story among the general public. It took a video of Rice actually striking her for this to reach this level - why? This has been a problem in this league for DECADES - now all the sudden the righteous are up in arms?

It's laughable.