Skins vs. Eagles Post-Game

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I was talking about several passes which were not well-placed: pointlessly behind the receiver, etc.

There isn't a QB in the history of the league that hasn't thrown a few bad balls every game. Foles had 2 that should have been intercepted and overthrew several more. I do think there might be an endurance issue with Kirk that will get solved with more starts. Just not used to playing full games week in and week out.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I was talking about several passes which were not well-placed: pointlessly behind the receiver, etc.

Do you understand that this happens to all QB's in the course of a game? Especially when there is 48 pass attempts? Foles flat out missed a couple wide open TD passes but no one is going to question his performance yesterday.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I was talking about several passes which were not well-placed: pointlessly behind the receiver, etc.

One thing Keim said in one of his initial reviews was that, when KC had time or a clean pocket to step up into, he was throwing on rhythm, trusting his receivers to be where they were supposed to be, anticipating their route and throwing to their "spot."

BUT, if the rhythm got disrupted (for whatever reason), KC started throwing AT the receiver and not really anticipating their movements.

That seemed an accurate assessment to me and in line with the criticism of his play. Once he gets "out of sorts," either by actual pressure (guys in his face, etc.) or situational pressure (2 mins to go, game on the line, etc.), he seems much less effective.

Just like I am not sure RGIII can ever be a solid rhythm/pocket passer, I am not sure KC can excel unless conditions are just right.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Lots of reasons we lost. Special teams was a main culprit obviously.

But my issue yesterday was this. KC got us in position to win the game but when it counted he missed passes. The INT was ehhh...they happen. But he missed a couple throws that we really needed him to hit. I am afraid that is what he is as a QB.

I was talking about that with a coworker today. I said really good QBs could play poorly for three quarters but when the game is on the line find the way to win. I am pleased with Cousins performance not sure he is ready to put the team on his shoulders in a difficult situation. We will see.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

I like what Cousins was able to get done yesterday. He did a nice job for most of the game. But I do have to put some blame of him for the final drive (or lack there of). We needed 10 yards to have a chance to tie it. He did what he had to before that drive and got us a TD. The defense came through with a big stop to get the ball back with plenty of time and great field position. Cousins didn't look to have it in him to get the win or tie.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Lots of reasons we lost. Special teams was a main culprit obviously.

But my issue yesterday was this. KC got us in position to win the game but when it counted he missed passes. The INT was ehhh...they happen. But he missed a couple throws that we really needed him to hit. I am afraid that is what he is as a QB.

Could not have written it better myself

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Could not have written it better myself

Kinda like when it counted Kai (or Kia as i call him now) missed that 33 yard fieldgoal or Breeland let a int hit him in his hands and stomach when it counted. How about calling a left stretch play to the short side first play of the 3 and out to that ended a the game, when it counted. I see alot of responsible parties in the forth.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Kinda like when it counted Kai (or Kia as i call him now) missed that 33 yard fieldgoal or Breeland let a int hit him in his hands and stomach when it counted. How about calling a left stretch play to the short side first play of the 3 and out to that ended a the game, when it counted. I see alot of responsible parties in the forth.

Fair or not, the QB takes the majority of the blame/credit

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Lots of reasons we lost. Special teams was a main culprit obviously.

But my issue yesterday was this. KC got us in position to win the game but when it counted he missed passes. The INT was ehhh...they happen. But he missed a couple throws that we really needed him to hit. I am afraid that is what he is as a QB.

Did Mark Rypien make all the clutch throws after his fifth start?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Lots of reasons we lost. Special teams was a main culprit obviously.

But my issue yesterday was this. KC got us in position to win the game but when it counted he missed passes. The INT was ehhh...they happen. But he missed a couple throws that we really needed him to hit. I am afraid that is what he is as a QB.

So after 5 starts and really no work with first team you're saying this is what he is as a QB? You don't think the timing with Garcon, DJax and co will improve? Or maybe you prefer that high school offense we saw week one. Actually I really hope you're right cause if KC is what we saw yesterday then he's a Pro Bowl QB. For this week, what should have been 37 points on the road is something any NFL team would take. At least for this week, I can not blame the offense or Cousins for the loss.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

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So after 5 starts and really no work with first team you're saying this is what he is as a QB? You don't think the timing with Garcon, DJax and co will improve? Or maybe you prefer that high school offense we saw week one. Actually I really hope you're right cause if KC is what we saw yesterday then he's a Pro Bowl QB. For this week, what should have been 37 points on the road is something any NFL team would take. At least for this week, I can not blame the offense or Cousins for the loss.

As spectacular as RG3 was in 2012, he was 3-6 in his first 9 starts. It's illogical to think KC has peeked and will never get better.

Hopefully the winning starts to go along with the nice stat lines.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

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So after 5 starts and really no work with first team you're saying this is what he is as a QB? You don't think the timing with Garcon, DJax and co will improve? Or maybe you prefer that high school offense we saw week one. Actually I really hope you're right cause if KC is what we saw yesterday then he's a Pro Bowl QB. For this week, what should have been 37 points on the road is something any NFL team would take. At least for this week, I can not blame the offense or Cousins for the loss.

I too am hoping that some of that gets better the more he works with the first unit. My evaluation, for what's it worth, is that he was drafted in the 4th round for a reason. He has historically, in both the pros and college, faced bouts on inaccuracy and bad decision making. He has a little bit of gunslinger in him. That can work for a team if there is something that can augment it into a value..like mobility. What I saw yesterday was a guy who can make throws, understands the offense, and has confidence. What I also saw was a guy who flat out missed pretty easy throws in the 4th quarter that had to be made. Throws that guys like Rodgers/Brees/Manning/Brady make. The type of QB Cousins is has to be at that level for us to win. He has to be a play-maker with his arm and he can't do that by missing 5-yard outs.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I too am hoping that some of that gets better the more he works with the first unit. My evaluation, for what's it worth, is that he was drafted in the 4th round for a reason. He has historically, in both the pros and college, faced bouts on inaccuracy and bad decision making. He has a little bit of gunslinger in him. That can work for a team if there is something that can augment it into a value..like mobility. What I saw yesterday was a guy who can make throws, understands the offense, and has confidence. What I also saw was a guy who flat out missed pretty easy throws in the 4th quarter that had to be made. Throws that guys like Rodgers/Brees/Manning/Brady make. The type of QB Cousins is has to be at that level for us to win. He has to be a play-maker with his arm and he can't do that by missing 5-yard outs.

Winner winner chicken dinner. Spot on.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I too am hoping that some of that gets better the more he works with the first unit. My evaluation, for what's it worth, is that he was drafted in the 4th round for a reason. He has historically, in both the pros and college, faced bouts on inaccuracy and bad decision making. He has a little bit of gunslinger in him. That can work for a team if there is something that can augment it into a value..like mobility. What I saw yesterday was a guy who can make throws, understands the offense, and has confidence. What I also saw was a guy who flat out missed pretty easy throws in the 4th quarter that had to be made. Throws that guys like Rodgers/Brees/Manning/Brady make. The type of QB Cousins is has to be at that level for us to win. He has to be a play-maker with his arm and he can't do that by missing 5-yard outs.

Well I can tell you this, all those guys missed open WR's yesterday, as did Foles.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

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Well I can tell you this, all those guys missed open WR's yesterday, as did Foles.

And Rodgers had a whopping 7 points yesterday. I hope no one is advocating for production like that.