Griffin Out For Undetermined Time, It's Cousins Time

[skinsguy]

Guys,

It all starts up front. I don't care who the quarterback is, ultimately, you win and lose based upon your protections. We all know how porous that offensive line is.

I subscribe to the theory that a great offensive line creates a domino effect across the board. With a great offensive line, you can control the clock, you can wear down opposing defenses, and you can have time to set up the big plays downfield. Moreover, you can keep your defense rested on the side lines, and healthy.

A great offensive line can do more to cover up deficiencies on the other side of the ball, as well as who your quarterback is, than the other way around in my opinion.

Put Kirk Cousins or RGIII behind a great offensive line, and either are good enough to take you deep into the playoffs. That is where, if I'm the GM, I'm placing all of my attentions on next offseason. That offensive line is going to have to be greatly upgraded for any quarterback to be successful in Washington. I don't understand why the offensive line has been basically ignored all these years. Seems like we draft one great lineman, with nobody else anywhere close to him in regards to talent, and no depth behind him. Makes no sense to me.

Mark Rypien would have never sniffed the playoffs behind this offensive line.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Guys,

It all starts up front. I don't care who the quarterback is, ultimately, you win and lose based upon your protections. We all know how porous that offensive line is.

I subscribe to the theory that a great offensive line creates a domino effect across the board. With a great offensive line, you can control the clock, you can wear down opposing defenses, and you can have time to set up the big plays downfield. Moreover, you can keep your defense rested on the side lines, and healthy.

A great offensive line can do more to cover up deficiencies on the other side of the ball, as well as who your quarterback is, than the other way around in my opinion.

Put Kirk Cousins or RGIII behind a great offensive line, and either are good enough to take you deep into the playoffs. That is where, if I'm the GM, I'm placing all of my attentions on next offseason. That offensive line is going to have to be greatly upgraded for any quarterback to be successful in Washington. I don't understand why the offensive line has been basically ignored all these years. Seems like we draft one great lineman, with nobody else anywhere close to him in regards to talent, and no depth behind him. Makes no sense to me.

Mark Rypien would have never sniffed the playoffs behind this offensive line.

Id like to know why we dont have the ability to draft olinemen and then coach them up into starters. We spent alot of draft picks on back ups...that shit needs to change. Bruce, talent evaluators in the fo and the coaches need to answer for those fuck ups.

i hope to god we play both Long and Moses durning this losing season to see what they have. Experience is key, especially along the oline. Legrimace needs to play as well.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Id like to know why we dont have the ability to draft olinemen and then coach them up into starters. We spent alot of draft picks on back ups...that shit needs to change. Bruce, talent evaluators in the fo and the coaches need to answer for those fuck ups.

i hope to god we play both Long and Moses durning this losing season to see what they have. Experience is key, especially along the oline. Legrimace needs to play as well.

That is where we saw the genius of Bobby Beathard back in the day. He was able to find great talent through free agency and the draft. He helped Buges build that great offensive line that the 'skins enjoyed having throughout the 80's. And even later on, the 'skins were able to draft a Jim Lachey to compliment guys like Jacoby, Grimm, and Bostic. But the biggest thing was not only were these guys solid, but they had staying power. That offensive line rarely changed except for the gradual change from '81 to '91. There were no wholesale changed to that offensive line. Consistency, continuity, and solid talent is what drove Washington throughout the 80's, and it all started up front.

I think the issues are, however, that you don't see a plethora of great offensive linemen in the draft. You might be able to pick up a guy here or there, but it takes awhile to really get a solid offensive line built. And you have to take some skilled players as well. At least the Redskins, for the moment, are pretty good at the skilled positions. They can focus completely on the offensive line and the secondary.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

That is where we saw the genius of Bobby Beathard back in the day. He was able to find great talent through free agency and the draft. He helped Buges build that great offensive line that the 'skins enjoyed having throughout the 80's. And even later on, the 'skins were able to draft a Jim Lachey to compliment guys like Jacoby, Grimm, and Bostic. But the biggest thing was not only were these guys solid, but they had staying power. That offensive line rarely changed except for the gradual change from '81 to '91. There were no wholesale changed to that offensive line. Consistency, continuity, and solid talent is what drove Washington throughout the 80's, and it all started up front.

I think the issues are, however, that you don't see a plethora of great offensive linemen in the draft. You might be able to pick up a guy here or there, but it takes awhile to really get a solid offensive line built. And you have to take some skilled players as well. At least the Redskins, for the moment, are pretty good at the skilled positions. They can focus completely on the offensive line and the secondary.

Jim Lachey was not a Redskins pick. The Chargers drafted him, sent him to the Raiders, and Bobby Beathard traded QB Jay Schroeder to get him. At the time I thought that was a lousy deal, Schroeder was a good QB. Goes to show 2 things: I didn't know much about judging football talent then, and I haven't learned much since...

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

Jim Lachey was not a Redskins pick. The Chargers drafted him, sent him to the Raiders, and Bobby Beathard traded QB Jay Schroeder to get him. At the time I thought that was a lousy deal, Schroeder was a good QB. Goes to show 2 things: I didn't know much about judging football talent then, and I haven't learned much since...

He was not a good QB. Yeah he could throw it 80 yards, but he had 0 leadership skills and lacked accuracy. He flamed the rest of his career. But I think that he still holds the single season yardage record from 1986. That's sad. lol. But that was a great trade by BB.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

He was not a good QB. Yeah he could throw it 80 yards, but he had 0 leadership skills and lacked accuracy. He flamed the rest of his career. But I think that he still holds the single season yardage record from 1986. That's sad. lol. But that was a great trade by BB.

And Mike Shanahan was on the other end of that deal (well him and Al Davis)

The ironic thing is that just a year earlier the Raiders and Redskins had a deal done to send Doug Williams to the Raiders until Joe Gibbs nixed the deal.

And what some veterans on the team have told me, Schroeder may have been the most hated man in the locker room.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

And Mike Shanahan was on the other end of that deal (well him and Al Davis)

The ironic thing is that just a year earlier the Raiders and Redskins had a deal done to send Doug Williams to the Raiders until Joe Gibbs nixed the deal.

And what some veterans on the team have told me, Schroeder may have been the most hated man in the locker room.

Not surprising. I heard that his attitude was so bad during the weeks leading up to the Super Bowl, that Gibbs was thinking about deactivating him and bringing up Rypien.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Guys,

It all starts up front. I don't care who the quarterback is, ultimately, you win and lose based upon your protections. We all know how porous that offensive line is.

I subscribe to the theory that a great offensive line creates a domino effect across the board. With a great offensive line, you can control the clock, you can wear down opposing defenses, and you can have time to set up the big plays downfield. Moreover, you can keep your defense rested on the side lines, and healthy.

A great offensive line can do more to cover up deficiencies on the other side of the ball, as well as who your quarterback is, than the other way around in my opinion.

Put Kirk Cousins or RGIII behind a great offensive line, and either are good enough to take you deep into the playoffs. That is where, if I'm the GM, I'm placing all of my attentions on next offseason. That offensive line is going to have to be greatly upgraded for any quarterback to be successful in Washington. I don't understand why the offensive line has been basically ignored all these years. Seems like we draft one great lineman, with nobody else anywhere close to him in regards to talent, and no depth behind him. Makes no sense to me.

Mark Rypien would have never sniffed the playoffs behind this offensive line.

This and them some. You win in the trenches. Protect your QB and sack the other teams QB. This is what won 3 SB's here. I look at Seattle right now and they kind of remind me of some of the old Redskin teams. Part of the problem I think is we simply don't have a blueprint.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

This and them some. You win in the trenches. Protect your QB and sack the other teams QB. This is what won 3 SB's here. I look at Seattle right now and they kind of remind me of some of the old Redskin teams. Part of the problem I think is we simply don't have a blueprint.

I've been arguing against our FO philosophy for YEARS. Under Snyder's leadership, we have tried to build from the outside-in, meaning we have given little draft priority to building up strength in the trenches. Since taking Chris Samuels with the 3rd pick of the 2000 Draft, the FO has drafted only ONE O-linemen in the 2nd round or higher: Trent Williams (1st Round, 2010). That is a joke. During that same period, Jarvis Jenkins (2nd Round, 2011) is the ONLY D-lineman selected in the first two rounds. Compare this to the draft history of our division rivals, and it becomes obvious why we can't consistently protect our QBs, nor sack theirs.