The Wilson Blueprint

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Coff

There are plenty of elite QBs who didn't look elite after their first two years. Brees and Rogers come to mind, both of whom have won a Super Bowl in the past five years.

That being said, not being an "elite" QB is no reason to get rid of a guy. Stability and consistency are equally important. Eli Manning and Joe Flacco are not elite QBs by any means, yet they have won three of the past seven Super Bowls.

Steve Young.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by saden1

There is a reason why when people talk about Elite QBs they talk about a handful of guys. You either have IT or you don't. If RG3 hasn't figured it out by now that mofo isn't going to now.
Both Wilson and Luck are entering that handful count and I am afraid the boat has sailed on RG3.

not burning Rg3 today?

[SouperMeister]

Seattle wins because they are a very good all around team in all phases. They may have the best special teams coverage units in the league - I couldn't be more impressed with their punt team gunner. And on kickoffs, Haushka consistently banged the ball through the end zone - we need a guy who can do that. The Redskins average starting field position was the 15 yard line. I would guess Seattle's was close to the 40. Wilson played a tremendous game, but between stellar special teams and defense, he has a huge advantage that Cousins and RG3 have never enjoyed.

[Evilgrin]

Seattle has the best roster in the NFL period, they are well coached also. Wilson is a great player, but that team dynamic is way different. He plays with less pressure then a lot of QBs that know they have to run the whole engine.

[HailGreen28]

"Show me a running QB, and I'll show you a loser." - RG2 and RG3.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

"Show me a running QB, and I'll show you a loser." - RG2 and RG3.

Well I guess Wilson is a loser then..

[Gary84Clark]

RG3 was able to elevate this team his rookie year. Optimism was in the air. Hr risked his body changing the momentum and inspiring his teammates. A lot of the big hits he took his rookie year came at times when the team needed inspiration. That's how I interpret his running. He always runs when the team stalls and are not able to do anything or seem to be in a funk.

[Redskin Warrior]

The blueprint is to protect your QB regardless if it's RG3 or Kirk neither can excel with the trenches the way they are. The skills players are there we have one of the best talented offenses with the worst o-line in the league period. J.Gruden and BA have to fix that ASAP.

[WillH]

So my take on all this is, yeah RG3 "could" do what he does best, use his legs, etc. except for the fact that he has no clue how to do it without putting himself at risk. I don't care what some people say, he injured himself on an awesome athletic play in which he used awkward body mechanics that combined with shit luck, ended in him landing wrong. There are so many plays where he sacrifices his body to try to make a big play, not just by taking unnecessary hits but also by diving/falling/running/throwing in awkward ways. These plays are often fun to watch because it's absolutely brilliant athleticism, but they put him at risk.

Watching Wilson, he uses his athleticism, but not to the point where he sacrifices his body or put himself at risk for injury. So, can Robert learn to do the same? That's the real question. I worry that he gets so caught up in his game that he forgets about protecting himself, and that may be part of what makes him electrifying ~ when he looses himself in the game.

Ultimately, I'm still in the camp of being a pocket passer is a necessary skill in this league for a QB to have lasting success. He needs a line, though. This team really needed a line before selling the farm for our Franchise QB IMO, it may be too late, but I hope RG3 comes back and makes me look like a chump for doubting him.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by WillH

So my take on all this is, yeah RG3 "could" do what he does best, use his legs, etc. except for the fact that he has no clue how to do it without putting himself at risk. I don't care what some people say, he injured himself on an awesome athletic play in which he used awkward body mechanics that combined with shit luck, ended in him landing wrong. There are so many plays where he sacrifices his body to try to make a big play, not just by taking unnecessary hits but also by diving/falling/running/throwing in awkward ways. These plays are often fun to watch because it's absolutely brilliant athleticism, but they put him at risk.

Watching Wilson, he uses his athleticism, but not to the point where he sacrifices his body or put himself at risk for injury. So, can Robert learn to do the same? That's the real question. I worry that he gets so caught up in his game that he forgets about protecting himself, and that may be part of what makes him electrifying ~ when he looses himself in the game.

Ultimately, I'm still in the camp of being a pocket passer is a necessary skill in this league for a QB to have lasting success. He needs a line, though. This team really needed a line before selling the farm for our Franchise QB IMO, it may be too late, but I hope RG3 comes back and makes me look like a chump for doubting him.

When the team plays better RG3 wont have to sacrifice his body. The Redskins always start off dead until RG3 starts his athleticism.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

When the team plays better RG3 wont have to sacrifice his body. The Redskins always start off dead until RG3 starts his athleticism.

Actually on the play when he got hurt, all he had to do was throw the ball early when Jackson broke open. If he had done that then there was no reason be a hero.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Actually on the play when he got hurt, all he had to do was throw the ball early when Jackson broke open. If he had done that then there was no reason be a hero.

This is the big difference between the relative development of Cousins and Griffin. Cousins anticipates a receiver breaking open, and throws to a spot. Griffin often holds the ball too long, even when a receiver is running free. Had he thrown the ball when Jackson first broke free, Griffin is probably still in the lineup today. He must improve his recognition and anticipation if he is to ever be an effective pocket passer. There's a reason that great pocket passers with limited mobility like Manning rarely get sacked - the ball is out of his hand before the defense has a chance to reach him. Wilson is becoming the best of both worlds - excellent recognition of what the defense is doing, with the wheels to extend plays when necessary, or to run for big yardage when the defensive seas part. This is the type of playmaker that I still hold hope for Griffin becoming.

[calia]

^ excellent post -- agreed

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

This is the big difference between the relative development of Cousins and Griffin. Cousins anticipates a receiver breaking open, and throws to a spot. Griffin often holds the ball too long, even when a receiver is running free. Had he thrown the ball when Jackson first broke free, Griffin is probably still in the lineup today. He must improve his recognition and anticipation if he is to ever be an effective pocket passer. There's a reason that great pocket passers with limited mobility like Manning rarely get sacked - the ball is out of his hand before the defense has a chance to reach him. Wilson is becoming the best of both worlds - excellent recognition of what the defense is doing, with the wheels to extend plays when necessary, or to run for big yardage when the defensive seas part. This is the type of playmaker that I still hold hope for Griffin becoming.

Cousins is better at anticipating the receivers getting open. I definitely agree with that. I think he's also shown the ability to anticipate the coverages and take the shots down field when it looks like there can be some success. But I still believe that Griffin gives you a better chance at success overall, IF he can stay healthy. Honestly, we haven't seen enough of RGIII this year to really know if he was about to take that next step or not. One and one quarter games is just not enough time. After four games, we see that Cousins can play well but can also play horribly, but when it comes down to it, wins is what matters. And Cousins just has not given us the wins. RGIII has proven to get us wins when he's perfectly healthy, so I'm not ready to turn my back on RGIII unless Cousins never loses a game from this weekend on.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

This is the big difference between the relative development of Cousins and Griffin. Cousins anticipates a receiver breaking open, and throws to a spot. Griffin often holds the ball too long, even when a receiver is running free. Had he thrown the ball when Jackson first broke free, Griffin is probably still in the lineup today. He must improve his recognition and anticipation if he is to ever be an effective pocket passer. There's a reason that great pocket passers with limited mobility like Manning rarely get sacked - the ball is out of his hand before the defense has a chance to reach him. Wilson is becoming the best of both worlds - excellent recognition of what the defense is doing, with the wheels to extend plays when necessary, or to run for big yardage when the defensive seas part. This is the type of playmaker that I still hold hope for Griffin becoming.

I think for Griffin that all comes with staying in the same offense for a few years, running the same plays over and over, getting comfortable with his wr's and not getting hurt. That was suppose to happen this year. I find it laughable that after 9 plays against a terrible team, everyone was thinking he had arrived. Maybe he gets back in there at some point this season.

I also sort of get the feeling ( based by Jay's and Jon's comments) that Gruden prefers a guy that is more pro ready, a more traditional type of QB to run his offense. It will be interesting to see how it plays out the remainder of the year, and next year.