Skins vs Seasquawks Positive and Negatives

[skinsguy]

I don't want to hear about Jay Culter. Behind our offensive line, he would be renamed good ol Saint Nick. Ask Bears fans...they're not too happy over Jay Culter these days.

I do agree with the sentiment that you don't give away draft picks - first round draft picks, and expect to build a team. But let's face it. The season before RGIII and Cousins, the Redskins had John Beck and Rex Grossman. Let that set in for a bit.

Now, who knew that Russell Wilson was going to come in and play like he did? The Seahawks hadn't planned to start him right away. They got lucky with Wilson developing as fast as he did. And they also got lucky that Wilson didn't get hurt.

What gets me is that during the game last night, nobody was saying anything about the hits that Wilson was taking last night. Yeah, Gruden mentioned it, but not like it was when we'd see RGIII take hits. When RGIII ran the same play and took hits - "He's not going to be in the league very long if he's going to continue taking those hits".....Wilson takes the same hit - "Wow, Wilson got rocked but look how great he is!" Double standard in my opinion!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I don't want to hear about Jay Culter. Behind our offensive line, he would be renamed good ol Saint Nick. Ask Bears fans...they're not too happy over Jay Culter these days.

I do agree with the sentiment that you don't give away draft picks - first round draft picks, and expect to build a team. But let's face it. The season before RGIII and Cousins, the Redskins had John Beck and Rex Grossman. Let that set in for a bit.

Now, who knew that Russell Wilson was going to come in and play like he did? The Seahawks hadn't planned to start him right away. They got lucky with Wilson developing as fast as he did. And they also got lucky that Wilson didn't get hurt.

What gets me is that during the game last night, nobody was saying anything about the hits that Wilson was taking last night. Yeah, Gruden mentioned it, but not like it was when we'd see RGIII take hits. When RGIII ran the same play and took hits - "He's not going to be in the league very long if he's going to continue taking those hits".....Wilson takes the same hit - "Wow, Wilson got rocked but look how great he is!" Double standard in my opinion!

Well there's a double standard cause one guy has been healthy in his three seasons and one hasn't. For the most part Wilson protects himself. If Wilson starts getting hurt then it's another story.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

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Well there's a double standard cause one guy has been healthy in his three seasons and one hasn't. For the most part Wilson protects himself. If Wilson starts getting hurt then it's another story.

With the hits that Wilson started taking last night, it's possible.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I don't want to hear about Jay Culter. Behind our offensive line, he would be renamed good ol Saint Nick. Ask Bears fans...they're not too happy over Jay Culter these days.

I do agree with the sentiment that you don't give away draft picks - first round draft picks, and expect to build a team. But let's face it. The season before RGIII and Cousins, the Redskins had John Beck and Rex Grossman. Let that set in for a bit.

Now, who knew that Russell Wilson was going to come in and play like he did? The Seahawks hadn't planned to start him right away. They got lucky with Wilson developing as fast as he did. And they also got lucky that Wilson didn't get hurt.

What gets me is that during the game last night, nobody was saying anything about the hits that Wilson was taking last night. Yeah, Gruden mentioned it, but not like it was when we'd see RGIII take hits. When RGIII ran the same play and took hits - "He's not going to be in the league very long if he's going to continue taking those hits".....Wilson takes the same hit - "Wow, Wilson got rocked but look how great he is!" Double standard in my opinion!

Hasnt RG3 missed significant time twice already in less than 3 years? Once avoiding a hit and once being hit. I dont see a double standard. I see the definition of injury prone QB. Dude needs to play smart and undercontrol, RG3 needs to take that away from RW game.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Hasnt RG3 missed significant time twice already in less than 3 years? Once avoiding a hit and once being hit. I dont see a double standard. I see the definition of injury prone QB. Dude needs to play smart and undercontrol, RG3 needs to take that away from RW game.

There's no difference between Wilson's game and RGIII's. Both place themselves in danger of getting rocked. Wilson got rocked quite a few times in last night's game. The only difference is that Wilson does a better job of sliding than RGIII. Something in which seems like it was corrected over the offseason by Griffin. Once Wilson starts getting hurt, you guys will see they're mirror images of each other.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

There's no difference between Wilson's game and RGIII's. Both place themselves in danger of getting rocked. Wilson got rocked quite a few times in last night's game. The only difference is that Wilson does a better job of sliding than RGIII. Something in which seems like it was corrected over the offseason by Griffin. Once Wilson starts getting hurt, you guys will see they're mirror images of each other.

Horse shit. There is a night and day difference. You will never see Wislon get hit like a pinball as he is going out of bounds. You will never see him slide late. Unlike RG3 he actually avoids getting hit because he can diagnose when there aren't any more yards to be hand and he is masterful at throwing the ball away.


Check the stats, one hasn't missed a game and the other is on the sidelines. It's not luck, it's better football IQ.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Hasnt RG3 missed significant time twice already in less than 3 years? Once avoiding a hit and once being hit. I dont see a double standard. I see the definition of injury prone QB. Dude needs to play smart and undercontrol, RG3 needs to take that away from RW game.

Technically no, unless you consider 6(?) quarters of football significant time in his rookie year. He missed very little of the Ravens game, the entire Browns game and very little of the Seattle playoff game. He then missed an offseason, training camp and the preseason, when he was asking to play, so really, this is the first time he's missed "significant" time.

Sure, the offseason after year 1 should have been great for his development and, instead, he was rehabbing. However, those aren't games, so saying he's missed significant time twice is unfair. He HAS sustained 2 major injuries in his 3 years, however, and honestly, most of the rest of this post is arguing semantics, but I really think saying "he's missed significant time twice in 3 years" as though he's missed a bunch of starts is incorrect. He's only missing significant time now.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Technically no, unless you consider 6(?) quarters of football significant time in his rookie year. He missed very little of the Ravens game, the entire Browns game and very little of the Seattle playoff game. He then missed an offseason, training camp and the preseason, when he was asking to play, so really, this is the first time he's missed "significant" time.

Sure, the offseason after year 1 should have been great for his development and, instead, he was rehabbing. However, those aren't games, so saying he's missed significant time twice is unfair. He HAS sustained 2 major injuries in his 3 years, however, and honestly, most of the rest of this post is arguing semantics, but I really think saying "he's missed significant time twice in 3 years" as though he's missed a bunch of starts is incorrect. He's only missing significant time now.

And not because of a careless or wreckless mistake either.

[calia]

As bad as Polumbus has been (and he wasn't great yesterday, although I've seen worse from him), Moses was a statue. On the first pass blocking play, I don't think he even raised his hands up to engage in a block - the D lineman just ran right past him. That was flat out scary -- I thought Cousins was going to be knocked into next week. How is that possible?

Overall, the time they provided Cousins was sufficient to crete some opportunities. He wasn't getting knocked around all day, and few of his throws seemd rushed. The run blocking was apalling (talking to you Niles Paul -- did the concussion cause you to forget how to block, bro?), although, again, going down 17-0 the Redskins understandably felt that they had to get away from the run game at least a bit.

Special teams? Sigh. Was anyone else screaming at the TV that the Seahawks were going to fake the punt? And why would't they with the way our ST unit has played? They had less than a yard and they weren't all that scared of our offense even had it backfired. And it's exactly the kind of thing Peter Carroll does.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I don't want to hear about Jay Culter. Behind our offensive line, he would be renamed good ol Saint Nick. Ask Bears fans...they're not too happy over Jay Culter these days.

I do agree with the sentiment that you don't give away draft picks - first round draft picks, and expect to build a team. But let's face it. The season before RGIII and Cousins, the Redskins had John Beck and Rex Grossman. Let that set in for a bit.

Now, who knew that Russell Wilson was going to come in and play like he did? The Seahawks hadn't planned to start him right away. They got lucky with Wilson developing as fast as he did. And they also got lucky that Wilson didn't get hurt.

What gets me is that during the game last night, nobody was saying anything about the hits that Wilson was taking last night. Yeah, Gruden mentioned it, but not like it was when we'd see RGIII take hits. When RGIII ran the same play and took hits - "He's not going to be in the league very long if he's going to continue taking those hits".....Wilson takes the same hit - "Wow, Wilson got rocked but look how great he is!" Double standard in my opinion!

I'm sure this has been observed before
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The big thing it seems is accruing draft picks.

[NC_Skins]

Positive:

• Our punter. Tress Way average 49.9 yards per punt. Incredible.

• Kirk Cousins play in the second half. He started out slow in the first half, but seemed to get more aggressive as the game went on.

• Defensive adjustment in 2nd half.

• Kerrigan's pressure on Russell Wilson.

• Only 3 penalties the whole game.

Negatives:

• Special teams punt coverage (11.8 return average)

• kickoffs are still abysmal and led to good field position for Seattle.

• Defense in first half. What the fuck were these clowns doing for 10 days?

• Kerrigan and Orakpo over pursuing on their rushes to allow Wilson free reign to run. Kerrigan cleaned it up in 2nd half, but Orakpo still fell for it.

• Team's attitude after losses. As addressed by Jason Reid.
  http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports...02d_story.html

• Drops from guys in key situations.

• 3-12 on third down conversions.

• Alfred Morris fumbling yet again and not effective last night.

• OL being dominated at the point of attack.

Not sure I should really put down "defensive adjustment in 2nd half" as a positive. Truth is, had Seattle not have shot themselves in the foot for most of the 1st half, this game wouldn't have even been remotely close. Twenty one points taken off the board due to stupid mental errors by Seattle. In fact, I'd say they were a bigger value to us than our defense. Not sure how you can neglect Russell Wilson as a runner. I mean for fucks sake, you allowed him damn near 100 yards rushing in the first half. It's too late to wait till the 2nd half for an adjustment because that game should have realistically been over at the half. Stopping Russell Wilson should have been in the game plan.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Not sure I should really put down "defensive adjustment in 2nd half" as a positive. Truth is, had Seattle not have shot themselves in the foot for most of the 1st half, this game wouldn't have even been remotely close. Twenty one points taken off the board due to stupid mental errors by Seattle. In fact, I'd say they were a bigger value to us than our defense. Not sure how you can neglect Russell Wilson as a runner. I mean for fucks sake, you allowed him damn near 100 yards rushing in the first half. It's too late to wait till the 2nd half for an adjustment because that game should have realistically been over at the half. Stopping Russell Wilson should have been in the game plan.

Mistakes are part of the game. Seattle is lucky their defense kept our offense very limited, otherwise we have a different ball game. Good teams capitalize on those mistakes, bad teams don't period.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

<snip> Not sure I should really put down "defensive adjustment in 2nd half" as a positive. Truth is, had Seattle not have shot themselves in the foot for most of the 1st half, this game wouldn't have even been remotely close. Twenty one points taken off the board due to stupid mental errors by Seattle. In fact, I'd say they were a bigger value to us than our defense. <snip>

Two of those Harvin touchdowns came on the same drive, and they ended up with a FG. The other drive with a called-back touchdown eventually resulted in a touchdown anyway. Not sure how to look at that...

[calia]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Two of those Harvin touchdowns came on the same drive, and they ended up with a FG. The other drive with a called-back touchdown eventually resulted in a touchdown anyway. Not sure how to look at that...

I look at it as Seattle being unable to score at will on our D. To be clear, they are undoubtedly the better team across the board. But they're not invincible, and saying that the TDs that were called back means that we got lucky doesn't make sense to me. It wasn't as though any of them were bad calls that went our way, to my recollection.

Having said that, our inability to control the ball and run gave Seattle WAY too many chances -- such that they could squander several of them and still put up 27 points on us. And that isn't good.

[Evilgrin]

They need to kick out half the roster, but Snyder isn't gonna let them. He makes too much money off the team, team may be terrible long as he owns them.