The Wilson Blueprint

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

This is the big difference between the relative development of Cousins and Griffin. Cousins anticipates a receiver breaking open, and throws to a spot. Griffin often holds the ball too long, even when a receiver is running free. Had he thrown the ball when Jackson first broke free, Griffin is probably still in the lineup today. He must improve his recognition and anticipation if he is to ever be an effective pocket passer. There's a reason that great pocket passers with limited mobility like Manning rarely get sacked - the ball is out of his hand before the defense has a chance to reach him. Wilson is becoming the best of both worlds - excellent recognition of what the defense is doing, with the wheels to extend plays when necessary, or to run for big yardage when the defensive seas part. This is the type of playmaker that I still hold hope for Griffin becoming.

I think for Griffin that all comes with staying in the same offense for a few years, running the same plays over and over, getting comfortable with his wr's and not getting hurt. That was suppose to happen this year. I find it laughable that after 9 plays against a terrible team, everyone was thinking he had arrived. Maybe he gets back in there at some point this season.

I also sort of get the feeling ( based by Jay's and Jon's comments) that Gruden prefers a guy that is more pro ready, a more traditional type of QB to run his offense. It will be interesting to see how it plays out the remainder of the year, and next year.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think for Griffin that all comes with staying in the same offense for a few years, running the same plays over and over, getting comfortable with his wr's and not getting hurt. That was suppose to happen this year. I find it laughable that after 9 plays against a terrible team, everyone was thinking he had arrived. Maybe he gets back in there at some point this season.

I also sort of get the feeling ( based by Jay's and Jon's comments) that Gruden prefers a guy that is more pro ready, a more traditional type of QB to run his offense. It will be interesting to see how it plays out the remainder of the year, and next year.

I'm pretty sure the ship has sailed on this one. Cousins has shown, repeatedly, who he is. Yes he's decisive. Yes the ball comes out quickly. Yes he anticipates where to throw the ball. And yes, he gives the ball away at a highly unacceptable rate because of all of those factors as well. He's slightly above being just a guy because he can accumulate yards and stats but he doesn't put the team in the position to win games because of his negatives. Just like some people were convinced that being turnover prone could be 'coached out' of Rex, it's the same thing here, just a younger version. It's who he was in college and so far, who he is as a pro. Unless we have a top 3 defense who can offset the turnovers, you can't win with a QB like Cousins.

Once Griffin is healthy, he will be the unquestioned starter, growing pains and all because he gives the team the best chance to win.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I'm pretty sure the ship has sailed on this one. Cousins has shown, repeatedly, who he is. Yes he's decisive. Yes the ball comes out quickly. Yes he anticipates where to throw the ball. And yes, he gives the ball away at a highly unacceptable rate because of all of those factors as well. He's slightly above being just a guy because he can accumulate yards and stats but he doesn't put the team in the position to win games because of his negatives. Just like some people were convinced that being turnover prone could be 'coached out' of Rex, it's the same thing here, just a younger version. It's who he was in college and so far, who he is as a pro. Unless we have a top 3 defense who can offset the turnovers, you can't win with a QB like Cousins.

Once Griffin is healthy, he will be the unquestioned starter, growing pains and all because he gives the team the best chance to win.

Hopefully we will see the same Griffin that we saw in those few couple of plays in the Jacksonville game.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I'm pretty sure the ship has sailed on this one. Cousins has shown, repeatedly, who he is. Yes he's decisive. Yes the ball comes out quickly. Yes he anticipates where to throw the ball. And yes, he gives the ball away at a highly unacceptable rate because of all of those factors as well. He's slightly above being just a guy because he can accumulate yards and stats but he doesn't put the team in the position to win games because of his negatives. Just like some people were convinced that being turnover prone could be 'coached out' of Rex, it's the same thing here, just a younger version. It's who he was in college and so far, who he is as a pro. Unless we have a top 3 defense who can offset the turnovers, you can't win with a QB like Cousins.

Once Griffin is healthy, he will be the unquestioned starter, growing pains and all because he gives the team the best chance to win.

Outstanding post.

[R-words.com]

Wilson is looking a lot like we thought Griffin would look like by year three. Keep in mind they have a much better infrastructure and Wilson seems to be a lot more durable. I think RGIII had a lot more potential than Wilson but with all of the other factors working against RG, it just isn't panning out. Not to say it can't, but the waiting and wondering is killing us all.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by R-words.com

Wilson is looking a lot like we thought Griffin would look like by year three. Keep in mind they have a much better infrastructure and Wilson seems to be a lot more durable. I think RGIII had a lot more potential than Wilson but with all of the other factors working against RG, it just isn't panning out. Not to say it can't, but the waiting and wondering is killing us all.

Giving up those picks for RG3 was a gamble......the read option off the play action pass masked a lot of Griffin's deficiencies as a rookie....we learned in year II that he couldn't read coverages well....he's back to what we saw during the start of the 2012 preseason.....you don't give up what the Redskins gave up to draft a guy that didn't even play in a pro style offense in college.....this is one of the main reasons why RG3 is not a pocket passer, and can't read defenses etc....this is why the read option was implemented in his rookie season.........so his true draft value wasn't really a second overall pick.....not even close.......Griffin should have been drafted in the same round as Russell Wilson.....maybe RG3 will amount to something in the NFL.....or perhaps he won't..

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I'm pretty sure the ship has sailed on this one. Cousins has shown, repeatedly, who he is. Yes he's decisive. Yes the ball comes out quickly. Yes he anticipates where to throw the ball. And yes, he gives the ball away at a highly unacceptable rate because of all of those factors as well. He's slightly above being just a guy because he can accumulate yards and stats but he doesn't put the team in the position to win games because of his negatives. Just like some people were convinced that being turnover prone could be 'coached out' of Rex, it's the same thing here, just a younger version. It's who he was in college and so far, who he is as a pro. Unless we have a top 3 defense who can offset the turnovers, you can't win with a QB like Cousins.

Once Griffin is healthy, he will be the unquestioned starter, growing pains and all because he gives the team the best chance to win.

I have 0 confidence in Griffin's body holding up and it has to be a concern moving forward. That's now three major injuries in 6 years. On top of that he still has to perform. I'd like to see him back on the field as he needs game reps badly. The jury is still out on him.

Regarding KC, I think we see most QB's with few starts under their belts have their growing pains, in one way or another. KC is no different. Is this who's he's going to be forever? There is no way you can say that after 9 starts. Like Griffin he needs playing time. He most likely won't get that here unless Griffin keeps getting hurt.