How often does firing an NFL coach make things better?

[WillH]

Talking about firing Gruden at this point is absurd, really.

It's his first year. He lost his starting QB. The backup turned out to be a turnover machine. The team has been decimated by injuries, and had many holes to begin with.

I'm on board with letting Haslett go though. I never understood why we kept him anyway.

[MTK]

Considering how the offense has offered little to no help all season for the D, I think they've gotten the job done for the most part. I think we were 10th overall coming into today.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Considering how the offense has offered little to no help all season for the D, I think they've gotten the job done for the most part. I think we were 10th overall coming into today.

You aren't looking at the stats that count. Never understood why people give a shit about defensive ranking when it comes to yards. (which we rank 7th btw)

What does count on defensive stats is ppg allowed, which we are 24th with 26.1.


I do agree with you that our offense isn't helping a single bit. Not when you have a QB that turned the ball over 10+ times the past few games.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You aren't looking at the stats that count. Never understood why people give a shit about defensive ranking when it comes to yards. (which we rank 7th btw)

What does count on defensive stats is ppg allowed, which we are 24th with 26.1.


I do agree with you that our offense isn't helping a single bit. Not when you have a QB that turned the ball over 10+ times the past few games.

The defensive rankings in yards should give people a clue how bad the offense's ineffectiveness is affecting the defense. We're at the bottom in 3rd down conversion and at the bottom in turnover ratio. Due to the turn overs and many 3 and outs, offense don't have to travel far to score on our defense. I'll be curious to see where we rank in time of possession.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You aren't looking at the stats that count. Never understood why people give a shit about defensive ranking when it comes to yards. (which we rank 7th btw)

What does count on defensive stats is ppg allowed, which we are 24th with 26.1.


I do agree with you that our offense isn't helping a single bit. Not when you have a QB that turned the ball over 10+ times the past few games.

Points can be overblown too. I think stats in general are always overused.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You aren't looking at the stats that count. Never understood why people give a shit about defensive ranking when it comes to yards. (which we rank 7th btw)

What does count on defensive stats is ppg allowed, which we are 24th with 26.1.


I do agree with you that our offense isn't helping a single bit. Not when you have a QB that turned the ball over 10+ times the past few games.

If we were 30th in yards you can bet people would give a shit about that stat all day.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You aren't looking at the stats that count. Never understood why people give a shit about defensive ranking when it comes to yards. (which we rank 7th btw)

What does count on defensive stats is ppg allowed, which we are 24th with 26.1.


I do agree with you that our offense isn't helping a single bit. Not when you have a QB that turned the ball over 10+ times the past few games.

You make a good point, but I think you got to look at starting field position and the fact Cousins lead the league in INT thrown...you got to mix in the fact special teams and a turnover prone offense has had in the points allowed stat. Points allowed is more of a team stat than the specific yards allowed which tends to be move defense only. But still points allowed needs to be taken into consideration when looking at the big picture with Defense...A stat like avg yards per pass attempt and average rush yards against is another....I think overall we are average, but we handle the running game much better than passing game which I attribute to not enough pressure and very poor coverage schemes.


Anther thing with defense, are we forcing enough turnovers? This year I think its been below average, but D Hall out, I thought it would be.

[Gary84Clark]

Shannahan is a terrible talent scout. Shannahan is awful. That being said I think Gruden will do well. Gibbs lost his first 5 games. Shannahan's talent evaluation skills are like the juice at the bottom of the garbage can.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

This may seem like a stupid question but watching TV this morning they were talking about Rex Ryan and how he is most likely going to get fired even though he is well respected and for the last two games the Jets have been playing their hearts out...

How much through NFL history has it been proven that firing a coach, the team was better off? In my life I've seen it make no difference in places like Oakland, St. Louis, Jacksonville, and our own Redskins are probably one of the best examples.

I realize that the Head Coach is ultimately responsible for everything that happens with the football team, and when the teams starts sucking, and on a losing streak - he ultimately pays the price. But do you think that is fair? For the sake of argument lets look at the Redskins:

Coach after coach and we basically are no better. This year we already have a lost season. But is it really Jay Gruden's fault that we have problems at QB, Defense, Special teams? I mean he isn't the one making plays, or throwing the interceptions, or letting the other team run the kickoff back..

I guess i'm just looking for examples where firing the coach was absolutely the right move for the franchise and it resulted in wins, playoffs, etc....

Cousins is just a big ole softie. Blame him.

[SouperMeister]

In season firings almost never help. Snyder busted that move in 2000 (the Fortune .500 team), firing Norv Turner when the team record stood at 7-6. They were destroyed the next two games, and eliminated from playoff contention before the season finale.

[Avinash_Tyagi]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

In season firings almost never help. Snyder busted that move in 2000 (the Fortune .500 team), firing Norv Turner when the team record stood at 7-6. They were destroyed the next two games, and eliminated from playoff contention before the season finale.

Probably ranks in the top 5 biggest mistakes Snyder has ever made (and that is a crowded field to begin with)

[SmootSmack]

Turner firing, which should have happened before the season started but Snyder had just been formally approved in July, was largely a Fred Drasner decision. As was the decision to fire Schottenheimer a year later. But what's done is done.

[Avinash_Tyagi]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But what's done is done.

Sure, but I've seen no signs that Snyder is a better Owner now than he was back then.

Perhaps a bit more patient, but patience does not equal good

[irish]

Originally Posted by Avinash_Tyagi

Sure, but I've seen no signs that Snyder is a better Owner now than he was back then.

Perhaps a bit more patient, but patience does not equal good

DS is much better at looking like he's not involved but in reality he's every bit as involved now as he used to be.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by irish

DS is much better at looking like he's not involved but in reality he's every bit as involved now as he used to be.

... and you know this how? If true, fine. Just what to know your basis.

Also, in the past, I think DS's influence over-blown based on (1) statements made by our own site insiders; and (2) Actions taken by other owners that did not receive the press that DS got.