Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over

[Avinash_Tyagi]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

To have a strong 3-4 defense, you must have pass-rushing outside linebackers. That's why ultimately the Redskins brought back Orakpo. They could have invested at other defensive positions, but were reluctant to spend a lot on a safety (they needed two).

This is why I've never been a fan of the 3-4 Defense, it requires having too many of the right players in the right position due to the fact that you only have three lineman and are forced to rely on the lighter linebackers to help pressure the passer (I much prefer the 4-3, where you have two tackles, both of who are typically better matched up against the Offensive lineman, I feel this gives you more room for error as even just the 4 man line may be able to bring pressure without needing the Linebackers, freeing them up to assist the secondary)

[SirLK26]

If Orakpo is willing to come back at around 5-6 million, I'd be all for it. He brings a lot of pressure, he just hasn't been able to close the deals this year. Plus, he's solid in pass coverage and has become a good run defender as well. I like Trent Murphy, but he hasn't show he can rush from the outside yet. I guess we'll see this next Monday.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Avinash_Tyagi

This is why I've never been a fan of the 3-4 Defense, it requires having too many of the right players in the right position due to the fact that you only have three lineman and are forced to rely on the lighter linebackers to help pressure the passer (I much prefer the 4-3, where you have two tackles, both of who are typically better matched up against the Offensive lineman, I feel this gives you more room for error as even just the 4 man line may be able to bring pressure without needing the Linebackers, freeing them up to assist the secondary)

good post and welcome.

the 3-4 has not really worked here and like you said, it requires very specific players with very specific skill sets.

i think the loss of cofield is huge as our NT.

last year i think we played out of nickel (4 down lineman) like 60% of the time. cooley sd if you want to run on the skins, just go nickel on offense so we have to match and then run the ball. he sd our 3-4 is very good at the run but teams know they can get us out of the 3-4 and then run it.

i want to stick with the 3-4 but i am worried that our FO spends so much time and energy looking for 3-4 specific guys .... only to have out true base D be a nickel.

one thing is certain - this D has not really gelled since greg blache.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Avinash_Tyagi

This is why I've never been a fan of the 3-4 Defense, it requires having too many of the right players in the right position due to the fact that you only have three lineman and are forced to rely on the lighter linebackers to help pressure the passer (I much prefer the 4-3, where you have two tackles, both of who are typically better matched up against the Offensive lineman, I feel this gives you more room for error as even just the 4 man line may be able to bring pressure without needing the Linebackers, freeing them up to assist the secondary)

The thing I dislike about the 3-4 is that not as many colleges run it compared to the number of pro defenses. thus the number of quality nose tackles out there is limited. Some profess that DTs can be good NT but I think that transition is harder than many realize.

[skinsguy]

I'm going to trump all of you and pine for the return of Richie Petitbon. But only as a defensive coordinator.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I'm going to trump all of you and pine for the return of Richie Petitbon. But only as a defensive coordinator.

Pretty good chance Mike Nolan will be available after this year. Maybe Danny can send out for some more ice cream.

[Counter-Tre]

The Cowboys just cut Michael Sam from the practice squad. Isn't he supposed to be a good pass rusher? Should we sign him or is he not NFL material?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Counter-Tre

The Cowboys just cut Michael Sam from the practice squad. Isn't he supposed to be a good pass rusher? Should we sign him or is he not NFL material?

Media circus - strike one
Former Cowboy - strike two (not really but I'm working a theme here)
Cut from 2 practice squads - strike three

No upside to bringing him in.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Counter-Tre

The Cowboys just cut Michael Sam from the practice squad. Isn't he supposed to be a good pass rusher? Should we sign him or is he not NFL material?

maybe just bring him in for the cowboys game and try to find their achillies (hint: stop Murray). Of course i would love to see Sam in the game, sack Romo and see a pelvic thrust sack celebration on the cowboy star in primetime.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by Counter-Tre

The Cowboys just cut Michael Sam from the practice squad. Isn't he supposed to be a good pass rusher? Should we sign him or is he not NFL material?

I was thinking just this when I saw the news on ESPN. I think we should take a look at Sam and sign him to the practice squad. He can rush the passer and with Rak gone for the season we need depth at the at the position. We have Jeffcoat and Gabe Miller on PS right now. Bring in Sam and see what he has . He can also give us some 411 on the Cowboys defense.

As far a PR it would be positive for the Redskins who many people view as negative. The gay community would be happy and maybe we get lucky that Sam can play . It's a no lose situation .

[Avinash_Tyagi]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

The thing I dislike about the 3-4 is that not as many colleges run it compared to the number of pro defenses. thus the number of quality nose tackles out there is limited. Some profess that DTs can be good NT but I think that transition is harder than many realize.

Well doing the 3-4 at college level would be difficult, due to the fact that you're dealing with people who have not completely physically matured.

The ideal NT for a 3-4 is someone huge and powerful who basically needs to be double teamed on every play.

Many of the college guys, especially the Freshmen and Sophomores, are probably still bulking up at that point, and are unlikely to be able to play that position well.

You might find a few already at that point, but they would be the rarity not the rule.