Redskins Cowboys post game

[JoeRedskin]

As you said at one point SS, it's disconcerting that RGIII works as hard as he does, is as talented as he is athletically, and, yet (according to Gruden), he is still not capable of running a straight-up pro offense. Is it that he has to unlearn bad habits? Is he incapable of anticipating/trusting receivers? Does he not have pocket sense? Unilke reading D's - which is a learnable skill, is RGIII lacking one of the innate unteachable skills necessary for a QB?.

Don't get me wrong, I love this kid, really. Everything about him. Talent, head screwed on right, all the elements for leadership, etc. I am hoping it clicks for him ... soon.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Thanks for the info SS. We all really appreciate the insight.

I definitely like that Gruden is communicating better than Shananhan did.

One thing I would question though is that if Griffin is physically 100% should he not get time to start and learn in w real NFL game?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

Thanks for the info SS. We all really appreciate the insight.

I definitely like that Gruden is communicating better than Shananhan did.

One thing I would question though is that if Griffin is physically 100% should he not get time to start and learn in w real NFL game?

I just think that differs for each QB. Some learn well in game situations, some not. Just like any job/talent people learn in different ways. Trial by fire may cause some folks to improve but others to retreat into bad habits. On one hand, RGIII is a smart kid who wants to be the best and maybe can pick up the techniques in game. On the other, he is so talented and athletic, maybe he retreats into "I can use my athleticism to get a better play" rather growing into "I need to make the play called work by doing [X]."

It's like the smart kid who can do the problems with ease but screws up b/c he just doesn't pay attention to the details. I am convinced, RGIII has the ability to excel any system in which he plays. The question to me, however, is can he really get into the nuts and bolts of an NFL offense, the rhythm, anticipation and root mechanics of it, without relying on his freakish athletic ability to ignore these subtleties of the game. Certainly, off the field, he shows the willingness and intelligence to do so, but, in the heat of the moment, can he train his body to do so also.

If the best thing for him is to sit, watch and practice rep, I hope he does so even though I really, really want him on the field. I also hope Gruden is really committed to developing him and investing his own time.

The guy is special in so many ways. I hope Gruden can get him right.

Step One: Build an O-line that is better than average. Next year's draft: Round 1 - Best Safety on the board; Rounds 2-7 O-lineman every damn round and hope one or two stick. (Okay, maybe an ILB to replace Riley/Compton).

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Step One: Build an O-line that is better than average. Next year's draft: Round 1 - Best Safety on the board; Rounds 2-7 O-lineman every damn round and hope one or two stick. (Okay, maybe an ILB to replace Riley/Compton).

You say Step One is to build an O-Line and then you say draft a safety in round 1? Mr. Spock and I think that's illogical. If OL is your top priority, then you draft OL in Round 1 unless there is a very special player on the board when you draft who you just can't pass up (like Sean Taylor).

Nevertheless, I do agree with you that a top-notch OL is the foundation for a good football team. Dynasties are created by having Franchise QB's playing behind great OL's.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

You say Step One is to build an O-Line and then you say draft a safety in round 1? Mr. Spock and I think that's illogical. If OL is your top priority, then you draft OL in Round 1 unless there is a very special player on the board when you draft who you just can't pass up (like Sean Taylor).

Nevertheless, I do agree with you that a top-notch OL is the foundation for a good football team. Dynasties are created by having Franchise QB's playing behind great OL's.

A first tier safety will be gone by the 2nd round. A first tier RT is much more likely to be available. Especially if we are picking around 12-16. Just because you focus on an area doesn't mean that you completely ignore reality of picks. Of course this early and far away from the draft, and not knowing our final draft position, you also have to realize draft statements now are more guideline thoughts then specific must do's.

[Lotus]

If Moses develops, we don't need to be drafting a RT high.

I say spend high picks on a guard or center and otherwise feed the defense. How 'bout using a high pick on a badass nose tackle, since Cofield is getting older? Or use a high pick on a corner and move Hall to FS? Or use a high pick on a safety?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

If Moses develops, we don't need to be drafting a RT high.

I say spend high picks on a guard or center and otherwise feed the defense. How 'bout using a high pick on a badass nose tackle, since Cofield is getting older? Or use a high pick on a corner and move Hall to FS? Or use a high pick on a safety?

I'd be okay spending a high draft pick on a NT or FS. If we decide to trade down or get a mid/low first round pick (drinking the Kool Aid a bit here), we can try to get a good guard. I'd also like for us to get a solid veteran in the o-line.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

A first tier safety will be gone by the 2nd round. A first tier RT is much more likely to be available. Especially if we are picking around 12-16. Just because you focus on an area doesn't mean that you completely ignore reality of picks. Of course this early and far away from the draft, and not knowing our final draft position, you also have to realize draft statements now are more guideline thoughts then specific must do's.

I get all that. I just found it ironic that he said OL was top priority followed by saying draft a safety in Round 1.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

As you said at one point SS, it's disconcerting that RGIII works as hard as he does, is as talented as he is athletically, and, yet (according to Gruden), he is still not capable of running a straight-up pro offense. Is it that he has to unlearn bad habits? Is he incapable of anticipating/trusting receivers? Does he not have pocket sense? Unilke reading D's - which is a learnable skill, is RGIII lacking one of the innate unteachable skills necessary for a QB?.

Don't get me wrong, I love this kid, really. Everything about him. Talent, head screwed on right, all the elements for leadership, etc. I am hoping it clicks for him ... soon.

I just think it takes QB's from a simplified spread offense a lot longer than other QB's who run a pro style offense their entire life.

Drew Brees is a perfect example. He truly didn't play well until his fourth year in the NFL. It just takes time with spread QB's.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

As you said at one point SS, it's disconcerting that RGIII works as hard as he does, is as talented as he is athletically, and, yet (according to Gruden), he is still not capable of running a straight-up pro offense. Is it that he has to unlearn bad habits? Is he incapable of anticipating/trusting receivers? Does he not have pocket sense? Unilke reading D's - which is a learnable skill, is RGIII lacking one of the innate unteachable skills necessary for a QB?.

Don't get me wrong, I love this kid, really. Everything about him. Talent, head screwed on right, all the elements for leadership, etc. I am hoping it clicks for him ... soon.

Obviously Gruden has seen him now since March or so? He's got a feel for him now. I'm thinking it's all of the above and that's why we saw that JV offense week one. The thing with Griffin is this offense, or the pro game in general does not come natural for him. To me he needs a mixture of 2012, maybe some Chip Kelly and some pro. That's on the coaches to design an offense around him. But RG3 wants to be Rodgers. Three years in and we still don't know if he's the guy.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I recall someone calling him a camp fodder type of guy.
Ridiculous.

That would be me, but not sure I recall saying cut him. I believe I did call him camp fodder, but that was at the beginning of camp.

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If Gruden had his way, RG3 would not take the field again this year

Let's run through each QB and the 3 key decision makers

Cousins

Gruden: So so on him as a person, thought he'd be the perfect QB to execute his offense for this year. Knows ceiling is limited though

So is there something about KC's personality that Gruden is "so-so" on him as a person? Thanks for the scoop by the way.

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

As you said at one point SS, it's disconcerting that RGIII works as hard as he does, is as talented as he is athletically, and, yet (according to Gruden), he is still not capable of running a straight-up pro offense. Is it that he has to unlearn bad habits? Is he incapable of anticipating/trusting receivers? Does he not have pocket sense? Unilke reading D's - which is a learnable skill, is RGIII lacking one of the innate unteachable skills necessary for a QB?.

You probably won't find a better prospect at the QB position than Robert. His problem is that he was tutored in a spread offense in college. That means he's a whole 4 years behind the likes of Cousins, Luck, etc and any other QB coming from a pro-style college. It's a lot to ask for any individual which is why I generally do no want these types of QBs in a pro-style in the NFL. He has 10 times the type of talent that Cousins has, but the offense ran smoother when Cousins was at the helm. (minus the TOs) Guys like Robert, Cam, and other QBs coming from these types of college offenses are projects and they should be treated as such. By making them learn the game from the sideline until they can show that they can master it. That said, most teams/owners/fans are too impatient to allow that to happen. They expect the guy drafted in the top 10 to play immediately. Gone are the days where the top picks sat on the bench first. (palmer/rivers/eli/rodgers/etc)