RG3 is back

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by tshile

If he's ready you put him in the game.



If he's not ready you don't. Opponent doesn't matter. Bye week doesn't matter. He's either ready or he's not.



You play the people that give you the best chance to win. The exception is when you've locked up a playoff seed, then you play people to get reps that may be needed in critical playoff positions.



We're 3-5. You play the people that give you the best chance to win.

Yes, however if Snyder is indeed overriding Grudens decision on Griff being ready that is a problem. You said yourself that u think we can beat Minny with Colt. On top of all of this it is a new offense to Griff. Colt has played in this scheme before. Griff looked not so great against Houston, and pretty good against the Jags. However as we all know Cousins looked like Jonny Unitas against the Jags. I have no idea if Griff has this offense down. None. So I still feel like giving him two more weeks of prep time is not the worst thing in the world. If he starts on Sunday (regardless of who is calling that shot), than I hope he does have it down. Httr.

[tshile]

Where is the evidence that Snyder is overriding anyone?

I hate Snyder, as a person and owner of my favorite team, as much as the next guy. But that talking point gets thrown around a lot with ZERO to back it up.

Yes, if Snyder is overriding the coach then that's a problem. But it's a different problem.

I think we can beat Minnesota with McCoy. I think Griffin gives us a significantly better chance and it's not even close. At 3-5 we don't exactly have the luxury to go with McCoy if Griffin is ready - unless you've given up on the season.

It cracks me up how hard people are falling over McCoy. The same people that were gushing over Cousins. Some of them were saying Griffin's injury was a blessing in disguise for Gruden so he could start the quarterback he really likes.

It's all a bunch of nonsense.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by tshile

Where is the evidence that Snyder is overriding anyone?



I hate Snyder, as a person and owner of my favorite team, as much as the next guy. But that talking point gets thrown around a lot with ZERO to back it up.



Yes, if Snyder is overriding the coach then that's a problem. But it's a different problem.



I think we can beat Minnesota with McCoy. I think Griffin gives us a significantly better chance and it's not even close. At 3-5 we don't exactly have the luxury to go with McCoy if Griffin is ready - unless you've given up on the season.



It cracks me up how hard people are falling over McCoy. The same people that were gushing over Cousins. Some of them were saying Griffin's injury was a blessing in disguise for Gruden so he could start the quarterback he really likes.



It's all a bunch of nonsense.

Well a win is a win. No style points in the nfl. So in my mind there are a couple different scenarios. One - colt wins and keeps the season alive while Griff prepares for the home stretch and gets two more weeks to do so. Two - griff starts and looks better than Mccoy and wins.
Ofcourse either one could also shit the bed and we could lose but eff that. Lol.
So im simply taking the cautious way out here and giving Griff more time. If i had a crystal ball and knew RG-3 was going to show up strong this Sunday than of course lets get this ship rolling with the man at the helm. I dont. I said already that the fan in me wants Griff to start because I know he is the future of the franchise. But in the back of my head something tells me to give him two more weeks of prep time.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by tshile

Where is the evidence that Snyder is overriding anyone?

Personally, I've heard from more than enough people to believe strongly that either Snyder (and his associates) or Allen (or both?) is putting a lot of pressure on Gruden to play Griffin ASAP (just like when they told him he had to start him at the beginning of the year

I hate Snyder, as a person and owner of my favorite team, as much as the next guy. But that talking point gets thrown around a lot with ZERO to back it up.

He's no bigger jerk than Ted Leonsis, I don't have a problem with him

Yes, if Snyder is overriding the coach then that's a problem. But it's a different problem

Let the coach sink with his own ship, I guess

I think we can beat Minnesota with McCoy. I think Griffin gives us a significantly better chance and it's not even close. At 3-5 we don't exactly have the luxury to go with McCoy if Griffin is ready - unless you've given up on the season.

If Griffin shows that he's not ready on Sunday, it will be disastrous for the organization. Could be a franchise altering loss

It cracks me up how hard people are falling over McCoy. The same people that were gushing over Cousins. Some of them were saying Griffin's injury was a blessing in disguise for Gruden so he could start the quarterback he really likes.

Not me. I said from the start Cousins would be exposed as nothing more than a career backup. But yeah Gruden really did like him

It's all a bunch of nonsense.

Where's Rex Grossman when you need him?

[tshile]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Personally, I've heard from more than enough people to believe strongly that either Snyder (and his associates) or Allen (or both?) is putting a lot of pressure on Gruden to play Griffin ASAP (just like when they told him he had to start him at the beginning of the year

More than enough epople that you personally know that are in a position to know that sort of thing?

Or more than enough people in the media?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

He's no bigger jerk than Ted Leonsis, I don't have a problem with him

He's a dickhead. Always will be. That said, he isn't the problem with what's wrong with the team. I mean ultimately he is, but he's not responsible for the product on the field currently.

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If Griffin shows that he's not ready on Sunday, it will be disastrous for the organization. Could be a franchise altering loss

That's a pretty bold statement. Alter it how? Even if RGIII career flames out, I doubt it'll alter the franchise for the most part. Well, no more than it was altered by giving away all those picks to St. Louis. That altered this franchise more than anything in my opinion.

[Meks]

Here's a question I heard. Which I initially thought was stupid and i laughed. Then.... I started to wonder... Does rg3 make that sideline pass to reed that colt did so amazingly? Or does he take off, Fall, get hurt or fumble?
He's gotta get past his awkwardness with this system and how he's trying to become a pocket passer... He's looked awkward all season, I just hope he gets over it, and crushes the vikings. I'm fine with either qb starting on Sunday, but an extra week off that ankle couldn't hurt either ..

[Chico23231]

"Personally, I've heard from more than enough people to believe strongly that either Snyder (and his associates) or Allen (or both?) is putting a lot of pressure on Gruden to play Griffin ASAP (just like when they told him he had to start him at the beginning of the year"

You think Jay wanted to possibly start someone else at the beginning of the year?

You make a great point if Rg3 doesnt play well and its a bad loss at Minny.That would put alot of people at conflict within the organization im sure.

I dont see rushing RG3 if he is not ready. Makes no sense

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

"Personally, I've heard from more than enough people to believe strongly that either Snyder (and his associates) or Allen (or both?) is putting a lot of pressure on Gruden to play Griffin ASAP (just like when they told him he had to start him at the beginning of the year"

You think Jay wanted to possibly start someone else at the beginning of the year?

You make a great point if Rg3 doesnt play well and its a bad loss at Minny.That would put alot of people at conflict within the organization im sure.

I dont see rushing RG3 if he is not ready. Makes no sense

Didn't I mention this before the Seahawks game? Maybe I only told the other mods. Yes, know this from very very very reliable sources who have known Jay Gruden for a looooooonggggggg time. He thought RG3 was not ready for week 1 and wanted to start Cousins against Houston

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Didn't I mention this before the Seahawks game? Maybe I only told the other mods. Yes, know this from very very very reliable sources who have known Jay Gruden for a looooooonggggggg time. He thought RG3 was not ready for week 1 and wanted to start Cousins against Houston

yeah i dont remember this, but that kinda sux as a rookie HC to already being over ruled by Snyder. I worry about this dynamic, you got to let the HC make the decision on who to play....no matter who it is.

Thanks for the info

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Didn't I mention this before the Seahawks game? Maybe I only told the other mods. Yes, know this from very very very reliable sources who have known Jay Gruden for a looooooonggggggg time. He thought RG3 was not ready for week 1 and wanted to start Cousins against Houston

ive known my older brother almost my entire life .....

smoot, thank you for your insight. in this particular case I wish the message was on a more positive note . . . but if what you have been told is true ... unless RG3 plays well, we are screwed as a franchise and gruden experiment is already doomed.

hope RG3 plays well and makes this a non-issue.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

ive known my older brother almost my entire life .....

smoot, thank you for your insight. in this particular case I wish the message was on a more positive note . . . but if what you have been told is true ... unless RG3 plays well, we are screwed as a franchise and gruden experiment is already doomed.

hope RG3 plays well and makes this a non-issue.

Why?

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Why?

if he doesnt play well this week, the headline will be that RG3 wasnt ready and was rushed = leaks that gruden didnt want him to start vs vikings = leaks that gruden didnt want him to start week 1 either = media and fans will be left to speculate for 2 weeks as to why RG3 started if the HC didnt want him to = 2013 = what skins fans have been used to for 2 decades now ...

if he plays well, no one will question the decision to start him .. thus no one will question (or care) who actually made the decision. the focus will be on an improving and healthy griffin ready to make a second half playoff push. all good things.

if he plays poorly = 2 weeks of negativity and conspiracy theories. personally i dont want to see the skeletons in our closet. ive seen them enough. tired of the drama. all not so good things.



perhaps im being a lil dramatic in connecting the dots. perhaps as a skins fan, im conditioned to think as such.

[MTK]

Wasn't Gruden brought here specifically to develop Griffin? I don't really have a problem with someone above him twisting his arm a bit and saying hey, if he's ready you better get him back in there. Don't kid yourself and think this sort of pressure on a HC is a rare thing in the NFL.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Wasn't Gruden brought here specifically to develop Griffin? I don't really have a problem with someone above him twisting his arm a bit and saying hey, if he's ready you better get him back in there. Don't kid yourself and think this sort of pressure on a HC is a rare thing in the NFL.

Like button.

And this isn't a Jay Gruden doesn't like RG3 situation. Long term he thinks/knows RG3 is the team's best QB. He just felt at the beginning of the year, after seeing him over the summer, something was quite right and he wasn't ready so he wanted to start with Cousins.