RG3 is back

[WillH]

Originally Posted by tshile

Delay of games.
Calling the wrong play in the huddle.
Blowing timeouts to avoid even more delay of games.
Having multiple defensive stops/turnovers to start the game against an that offense, that coming into the game was really hot, but not capitalizing on them. Not capitalizing on this normally leads to losing the game later on...

It's not an opinion centered around stats, it's one centered around the eye test. McCoy just didn't look ready/prepared to me for quite a bit.

We stayed in the game because our defense played great from start to finish. And McCoy eventually settled in. But in the totality of the game, I personally am surprised Dallas wasn't able to get over the hump and eventually win.

When you listen to redskins fans and media you'd think McCoy had a lights out performance. That's just not what I saw at all.

Even more so, people are using the performance to justify not starting Griffin even if he is 'ready.' Which to me is absurd. To take that one game and walk away saying McCoy gives us a better chance to win than Griffin seems absurd to me. Yet, there are a lot of people doing it...

I agree with you to a point, but I think what you are not factoring in is how RG3 looked at the beginning of the season. He was struggling, and just before he got injured he started to show some signs that he was getting comfortable again. Now, coming back from an injury, and not having had the reps with the offense, he may not be where he needs to be to effectively lead this team. I think that is why people are saying he may not provide us the best chance of winning.

That said, I seriously hope he comes in and proves to everyone that he is a legit franchise QB. He needs to protect himself, he needs to protect the football, he needs to make some big plays, and he needs to show that he can operate in a pro offense.

I think he should start even if he isn't "Mentally prepared," because he needs to get reps with his offense. It is time for him to show that he is worth what we gave up to get him.

[tshile]

Originally Posted by WillH

I agree with you to a point, but I think what you are not factoring in is how RG3 looked at the beginning of the season. He was struggling, and just before he got injured he started to show some signs that he was getting comfortable again.

I am factoring that in, I'm just factoring it in as realizing the **entire team** has struggled all year up until the Dallas game. Even the Titans game was just bad, bad football; we won, but it was bad football by both teams. The defense had been putrid outside of the Jacksonville game until Dallas. The Special Teams was again striving for worst in league history; again until Dallas.

If we're to have a season all 3 phases of the team need to be on the ball. That includes Griffin. Seasons change on a whim. Momentum is a bitch. We may finally have some good momentum for the first time this year.

Originally Posted by WillH

Now, coming back from an injury, and not having had the reps with the offense, he may not be where he needs to be to effectively lead this team. I think that is why people are saying he may not provide us the best chance of winning.

To me, when a coach says the guy is ready, that means:
He's medically cleared and not at risk to injure himself
He's physically good, movement/mechanics are not going to be limited
He's got enough reps with the offense to be on the same page as them
In Griffin's case, due to his age and possition, I'd add: He's not in a state where he's likely to revert to bad habits/mechanics or someone stunt his growth (or even damage it) as a young quarterback.

So if he's ready. He's ready. If he's not ready and Gruden says he's ready, then we have a problem at the HC position.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by tshile

I am factoring that in, I'm just factoring it in as realizing the **entire team** has struggled all year up until the Dallas game. Even the Titans game was just bad, bad football; we won, but it was bad football by both teams. The defense had been putrid outside of the Jacksonville game until Dallas. The Special Teams was again striving for worst in league history; again until Dallas.

If we're to have a season all 3 phases of the team need to be on the ball. That includes Griffin. Seasons change on a whim. Momentum is a bitch. We may finally have some good momentum for the first time this year.




To me, when a coach says the guy is ready, that means:
He's medically cleared and not at risk to injure himself
He's physically good, movement/mechanics are not going to be limited
He's got enough reps with the offense to be on the same page as them
In Griffin's case, due to his age and possition, I'd add: He's not in a state where he's likely to revert to bad habits/mechanics or someone stunt his growth (or even damage it) as a young quarterback.

So if he's ready. He's ready. If he's not ready and Gruden says he's ready, then we have a problem at the HC position.

I think Gruden is saying that right now for Griffin:

"He's medically cleared and not at risk to injure himself
He's physically good, movement/mechanics are not going to be limited"

But maybe not that:
"He's got enough reps with the offense to be on the same page as them"

And I think some of the concern is that he hasn't mastered his mechanics, and or gotten rid of bad habits.

So, what I'm getting is that you, like everyone else, dont think RG3 should start unless he is fully prepared. So, I'm not sure where the disagreement is.

[tshile]

Originally Posted by WillH

So, what I'm getting is that you, like everyone else, dont think RG3 should start unless he is fully prepared. So, I'm not sure where the disagreement is.

There are people saying even if he's ready sit him because:
bye week
McCoy's performance against Dallas.

My point is - if he's ready, you play him. Until he proves he's not as good as McCoy.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by tshile

There are people saying even if he's ready sit him because:
bye week
McCoy's performance against Dallas.

My point is - if he's ready, you play him. Until he proves he's not as good as McCoy.

Not trying to be contentious, but who is saying that?

[tshile]

Originally Posted by WillH

Not trying to be contentious, but who is saying that?

media people that claim to be fans
fans on facebook/twitter/internet in general/radio

i've seen a few people here say that they'd prefer he come back after the bye, but they don't specifically come out and say that they prefer that even if griffin is ready.

believe it or not there's a lot of people that don't like griffin, or have no faith in him. they may not admit it, but they exist. and they stupid things like colt mccoy should get the start even if griffin is ready. because they're more interested in seeing anyone other than griffin under center.

edit: i believe i've even said that i would have thought after the bye made the most sense, so Griffin got on the same page as the offense. it would give them a whole two weeks.

but that's if he needs it. if he's not ready, by all means do not play him. but if he's ready... put the kid on the field and lets go.