Redskins vs Vikings Gameday thread

[JoeRedskin]

Sorry, allowing 4th quarter drives of 70+ yards to a rookie QB with a lackluster running attack is a defensive low point.

In part, it was players failing to execute - being pulled from zone assignments by clearing routes or failing to understand where safety help is. At the same time, as someone else said (either on twitter or one of the local reporters), if the players are failing to execute your zone concepts consistently, then - as a coach - you need to find what is working for them.

Hazlett has young corners who play a decent man coverage. Go with it and cover the top with safety help. If it exposes Riley, then design help for him or get him out. Maybe mix in some zone so the CB's can improve their skills on that but don't stick with a defense that is clearly not working.

I am firmly in the time to dump Hazlett now camp. It's the bye week, ditch Raheem, Haz and promote Bradley. Not sure if he will be an improvement or if it would be giving someone a promotion beyond their capabilities, but - jeez - can he really be that much worse than Hazlett at this point?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Sorry, allowing 4th quarter drives of 70+ yards to a rookie QB with a lackluster running attack is a defensive low point.

In part, it was players failing to execute - being pulled from zone assignments by clearing routes or failing to understand where safety help is. At the same time, as someone else said (either on twitter or one of the local reporters), if the players are failing to execute your zone concepts consistently, then - as a coach - you need to find what is working for them.

Hazlett has young corners who play a decent man coverage. Go with it and cover the top with safety help. If it exposes Riley, then design help for him or get him out. Maybe mix in some zone so the CB's can improve their skills on that but don't stick with a defense that is clearly not working.

I am firmly in the time to dump Hazlett now camp. It's the bye week, ditch Raheem, Haz and promote Bradley. Not sure if he will be an improvement or if it would be giving someone a promotion beyond their capabilities, but - jeez - can he really be that much worse than Hazlett at this point?

Who's Bradley?

[Rotten1980]

The offense did enough points-wise to win, like someone posted the Vikings averaged about 12 points/game the last month. But Gruden doesn't control the clock or game with his offensive attack by passing to often and giving up on the run. Morris best runs will be over 20 carries, between 20 and 30 is his sweet spot. Has Gruden even given 20 carries in a game this season??

No excuses for the defense though, regardless of what Gruden and RG do with the rest of the season Haslett should be canned at the end.

[Hog1]

How many points did we allow in the fourth qtr? Teddy and the boys (although we did make them look good) are not exactly Tom and Gronk.
.....cannot be allowed to happen

[Evilgrin]

You can't let Griffin off for that throw, that was Cousins bad... His mechanics were wrong, his decision was bad. The offense ran better with him at QB, but when you choke in a pressure situation you choke. He said it after the game himself.

There is hardly any talent on the defensive side of the ball. They are gonna have to win games by scoring minimum of 30 points. That is just the way it is.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Evilgrin

You can't let Griffin off for that throw, that was Cousins bad... His mechanics were wrong, his decision was bad. The offense ran better with him at QB, but when you choke in a pressure situation you choke. He said it after the game himself.

There is hardly any talent on the defensive side of the ball. They are gonna have to win games by scoring minimum of 30 points. That is just the way it is.

Pretty much spot on. But you have to think a better scheme would get more out of this below average group. If your corners seem to play better in man, stop putting them in some stupid zone coverage. But in the end, it's always the players and we're lacking several on this defense.

[Hog1]

Griffin was rusty...not as bad as I thought he would be but with him in Alf had a good day with nearly 100 yards and 2 td's. Offense looked viable and put up 26 on a very good D. Defense has some big holes. Be it Haz fault....mgmt....whatever's....
Weak link and pulling us down. Hard to see them playing like they did against a far better team in big d and playing like that against Teddy......

[Chico23231]

its not like every young QB has to earn it on the field.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

its not like every young QB has to earn it on the field.

I think they do. I mean if we are talking faith in a guy as the leader. Faith in his ability. Where else do you earn it?

[skinsfan69]

I think two guys that are not favs of Griffin are Moss and Garcon. I don't think those three are hanging out after practice.

[SFREDSKIN]

No talent on D? Skins got equal or better talent than the Cardinals, Todd Bowles is doing more with less in Arizona. Give Baker a chance, he could be our version of Bowles.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

No talent on D? Skins got equal or better talent than the Cardinals, Todd Bowles is doing more with less in Arizona. Give Baker a chance, he could be our version of Bowles.

Dude you have a man crush on Bowles! But I give it to them, they're missing Dockett, Washington, lost one of their d-linemen to injury, plus Palmer and they're still winning. Cards have a real good team and are well coached.

[Lotus]

SS, can you tell us more about what you mean regarding Gryphon's (possibly not) having his teammates' respect?

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Dude you have a man crush on Bowles! But I give it to them, they're missing Dockett, Washington, lost one of their d-linemen to injury, plus Palmer and they're still winning. Cards have a real good team and are well coached.

Calais Campbell, Shaunnesy, Abraham and others, playing with backups. And yes, I love Bowles.

[JoeRedskin]

Yeah, I am not buying the "no talent on D" argument. Sure, we have talent holes - safety leaps to mind. However, we also have some solid young talent that has shown ability to make a difference or at least to be above average - Robinson, Amerson, Breeland, Kerrigan. In addition, we have lots of solid - not spectacular - guys some young, some not-so, that every team needs - Baker, Jenkins, Compton, Murphy.

Use what you have correctly, identify and play to their strengths, coach them up to be more diverse, etc.

Just not seeing any of that in Haz.