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[Lotus]

Ryan Clark is supposed to lead our defense through experience and communication. But we've had more blown coverages - "miscommunications" - than any time that I can remember. This has been true all season long.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Ryan Clark is supposed to lead our defense through experience and communication. But we've had more blown coverages - "miscommunications" - than any time that I can remember. This has been true all season long.

We heard all about the value of leadership BS when Fletcher was on his last legs here. Keenan Robinson has been a big upgrade. We need to find the same type of upgrade for Clark after this year.

[NC_Skins]

I like Gruden. Dude is upfront and tells it like it is. Also note the comment about the "fragile ego" was more or less directed towards Robert. It fits because you constantly see Robert tweeting some sort of defense to his detractors. I'm with Jay, man the fuck up, grow some thick skin or get the hell out of the league.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I like Gruden. Dude is upfront and tells it like it is. Also note the comment about the "fragile ego" was more or less directed towards Robert. It fits because you constantly see Robert tweeting some sort of defense to his detractors. I'm with Jay, man the fuck up, grow some thick skin or get the hell out of the league.

The problem is if you list the "fails" or reasons for losing the game, RG is at the bottom. Gruden is more responsible, by a long way, simply because he's the HC. But more specifically here because Gruden still hasn't called an offensive game worthy of a win. Has Morris got over 20 carries in a game yet? Who the hell called a dink and dunk pass play right before the half?

You don't see great coaches call that shit. Most would pound the rock, but if you do pass it's downfield so if intercepted the opponent has a long field to go. If Gruden is learning, it's very slow at this point.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

The problem is if you list the "fails" or reasons for losing the game, RG is at the bottom. Gruden is more responsible, by a long way, simply because he's the HC. But more specifically here because Gruden still hasn't called an offensive game worthy of a win. Has Morris got over 20 carries in a game yet? Who the hell called a dink and dunk pass play right before the half?

You don't see great coaches call that shit. Most would pound the rock, but if you do pass it's downfield so if intercepted the opponent has a long field to go. If Gruden is learning, it's very slow at this point.

You realize you are exactly wrong, right? A 1 minute drill with time outs, you will always see 8-12 yard outs, trying to take advantage of the open middle and hope the receiver gets out, but with a timeout in the pocket you know you can call if he gets tackled. The long passes only come when there is no more time to move down the field methodically. And you don't pound the rock with less than a minute on the clock, because you need about 3 plays to get into FG position. If you are going to run Morris at that spot, then take a knee and come out and get the ball to start the half - of course had he done that then people would have lamented his lack of aggressiveness.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

You realize you are exactly wrong, right? A 1 minute drill with time outs, you will always see 8-12 yard outs, trying to take advantage of the open middle and hope the receiver gets out, but with a timeout in the pocket you know you can call if he gets tackled. The long passes only come when there is no more time to move down the field methodically. And you don't pound the rock with less than a minute on the clock, because you need about 3 plays to get into FG position. If you are going to run Morris at that spot, then take a knee and come out and get the ball to start the half - of course had he done that then people would have lamented his lack of aggressiveness.

Disagree. Couldn't count the number of times I've seen Brady (especially), Rogers, Brees, and Mannings huck the ball downfield in exactly these situations. That's the whole point, if there's a turnover 30 yards downfield the opponent has more ground to cover. Especially when you've got Desean Jackson catching passes, right?

LOL where does the 8-12 yard exactitude come from? Wait, if it's 13-20 you might have an argument hehe

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Disagree. Couldn't count the number of times I've seen Brady (especially), Rogers, Brees, and Mannings huck the ball downfield in exactly these situations. That's the whole point, if there's a turnover 30 yards downfield the opponent has more ground to cover. Especially when you've got Desean Jackson catching passes, right?

LOL where does the 8-12 yard exactitude come from? Wait, if it's 13-20 you might have an argument hehe

I know I locked onto this for some reason, but in the last close game Brady played (against the Jets) this was the end of half drive:
1st and 10 at NE 26 (:55) (Shotgun) PENALTY on NYJ-J.Babin, Neutral Zone Infraction, 5 yards, enforced at NE 26 - No Play.
1st and 5 at NE 31 (:55) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short left to R.Gronkowski.
2nd and 5 at NE 31 (:51) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to B.LaFell pushed ob at NE 36 for 5 yards (D.Walls).
1st and 10 at NE 36 (:46) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass deep left to R.Gronkowski to NYJ 44 for 20 yards (D.Davis; C.Pryor) [M.Wilkerson].
1st and 10 at NYJ 44 (:38) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short left to R.Gronkowski [S.Richardson].
2nd and 10 at NYJ 44 (:34) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short left to S.Vereen.
3rd and 10 at NYJ 44 (:29) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete deep right to D.Amendola. PENALTY on NYJ-A.Allen, Defensive Pass Interference, 32 yards, enforced at NYJ 44 - No Play.
1st and 10 at NYJ 12 (:23) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short right to J.Edelman.
2nd and 10 at NYJ 12 (:17) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short right [A.Barnes]. thrown away from outside the pocket PENALTY on NE-J.Devey, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at NYJ 12.
3rd and 25 at NYJ 27 (:11) S.Vereen left end pushed ob at NYJ 21 for 6 yards (A.Allen).
4th and 19 at NYJ 21 (:05) S.Gostkowski 39 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-D.Aiken, Holder-R.Allen.

or at half against Buffalo (score is NE 10, Buf 7)
1st and 10 at NE 42 (:52) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to S.Vereen to NE 45 for 3 yards (M.Dareus, J.Hughes). Caught at NE 36. 10 7
2nd and 7 at NE 45 (:30) T.Brady pass incomplete short middle to R.Gronkowski. Overthrown, receiver at 50.
3rd and 7 at NE 45 (:30) (Shotgun) T.Brady sacked at NE 39 for -6 yards (Ma.Williams).
Timeout #1 by BUF at 00:20.
4th and 13 at NE 39 (:20) R.Allen punts 31 yards to BUF 30, Center-D.Aiken, out of bounds.
Timeout #3 by NE at 00:14.

or maybe Green Bay: vs Miami, end of 4th quarter:
1st and 10 at GB 40 (2:04) (Shotgun) J.Starks left tackle to MIA 48 for 12 yards (R.Jones). 20 24
Two-Minute Warning - note the run came before the 2min, so they didn't need to use a timeout
1st and 10 at MIA 48 (1:57) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short right to J.Starks pushed ob at MIA 47 for 1 yard (P.Wheeler).
2nd and 9 at MIA 47 (1:49) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to A.Quarless.
3rd and 9 at MIA 47 (1:44) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers sacked at MIA 48 for -1 yards (sack split by O.Vernon and C.Wake). FUMBLES (O.Vernon), recovered by GB-T.Lang at MIA 48. T.Lang to MIA 48 for no gain (C.McCain).
Timeout #2 by MIA at 01:07.
4th and 10 at MIA 48 (1:07) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass deep right to J.Nelson ran ob at MIA 30 for 18 yards. - at midfield on 4th down
1st and 10 at MIA 30 (1:00) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep right to J.Starks [J.Wilson].
2nd and 10 at MIA 30 (:53) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short middle to J.Nelson.
3rd and 10 at MIA 30 (:48) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short middle to J.Starks to MIA 20 for 10 yards (J.Jenkins).
1st and 10 at MIA 20 (:30) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to R.Cobb to MIA 16 for 4 yards (B.Grimes).
2nd and 6 at MIA 16 (:07) A.Rodgers pass short right to D.Adams to MIA 4 for 12 yards (C.Finnegan).
Timeout #3 by MIA at 00:06.
1st and 4 at MIA 4 (:06) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short right to A.Quarless for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN. M.Crosby extra point is GOOD, Center-B.Goode, Holder-T.Masthay.

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[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

The problem is if you list the "fails" or reasons for losing the game, RG is at the bottom. Gruden is more responsible, by a long way, simply because he's the HC. But more specifically here because Gruden still hasn't called an offensive game worthy of a win. Has Morris got over 20 carries in a game yet? Who the hell called a dink and dunk pass play right before the half?

You don't see great coaches call that shit. Most would pound the rock, but if you do pass it's downfield so if intercepted the opponent has a long field to go. If Gruden is learning, it's very slow at this point.

Not sure how you got "RGIII is the reason for the loss" out of that post. That post had nothing to do with the loss, but a observation on Robert's need to shut out criticism and stop trying to be liked so much.

First and foremost, the defense failing is the major reason we lost to the Vikings. Giving up 30 points to a rookie QB that hasn't done shit the entire year is inexcusable, and 26 points should be enough to win a game.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

We heard all about the value of leadership BS when Fletcher was on his last legs here. Keenan Robinson has been a big upgrade. We need to find the same type of upgrade for Clark after this year.

Yeah, you are right. I love Fletch but are we really missing his 2013 version?

Adding a quality FS would make the whole defense better. You can attack the line more if you know someone has got your back.