Expectations for the rest of the season...

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

rg3 will garner a ton of interest. a ton. but im sure bruce will get out-GM'ed and let him go for a 4th. Which is crazy because we held on to Kirk for a second, but wont do the same for RG3.

Makes zero sense. None.

Poor move to trade RG3. Extremely poor

I'd say maybe a couple teams would have him come in to compete to be a starter. Maybe the Jets, Buffalo and Tampa. I'd say there would be a few teams that would like him as a back up...Dallas, Seattle and SF.

Remember, every team now has seen the tape of him playing below average the last two years, plus all the drama that comes with it. Dallas would be the perfect landing spot for him.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'd say maybe a couple teams would have him come in to compete to be a starter. Maybe the Jets, Buffalo and Tampa. I'd say there would be a few teams that would like him as a back up...Dallas, Seattle and SF.

Remember, every team now has seen the tape of him playing below average the last two years, plus all the drama that comes with it. Dallas would be the perfect landing spot for him.

I forbid the Redskins to trade RGIII to Dallas. It would be just our luck that he would turn around his career there and beat us twice a year. I hate Dallas too much to think there might be any chance of that happening.

[sevier2]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I forbid the Redskins to trade RGIII to Dallas. It would be just our luck that he would turn around his career there and beat us twice a year. I hate Dallas too much to think there might be any chance of that happening.

Well if YOU forbid it I guess the skins have no choice. I heard Bruce gets most his advice here anyways.

Wait, wait, he doesn't get his advice here. Which means RGIII will be traded to Dallas for one of their 30+ year old players.

Damn, maybe Bruce should start looking to the forums for help with this team.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by sevier2

Well if YOU forbid it I guess the skins have no choice. I heard Bruce gets most his advice here anyways.

Wait, wait, he doesn't get his advice here. Which means RGIII will be traded to Dallas for one of their 30+ year old players.

Damn, maybe Bruce should start looking to the forums for help with this team.

Bruce? Does he make any decisions about RGIII?

There was a time when suggesting doing anything that could possibly help Dallas would get a person drummed out of Redskins Nation. Yes, that time period was known as "The Good Old Days".

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'd say maybe a couple teams would have him come in to compete to be a starter. Maybe the Jets, Buffalo and Tampa. I'd say there would be a few teams that would like him as a back up...Dallas, Seattle and SF.

Remember, every team now has seen the tape of him playing below average the last two years, plus all the drama that comes with it. Dallas would be the perfect landing spot for him.

I think teams, including ours especially back in the days of Snyder/Cerratto smh, do tend to recruit free agents that torched them in games. I think RG3 has done well against Dallas, tho maybe 2012 looms larger in my mind than it should.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

rg3 will garner a ton of interest. a ton. but im sure bruce will get out-GM'ed and let him go for a 4th. Which is crazy because we held on to Kirk for a second, but wont do the same for RG3.



Makes zero sense. None.



Poor move to trade RG3. Extremely poor

Well it makes alittle sense because Cousins has shown that he can run the offense and if he always threw to the right team he could run it well. I feel like his problems are coachable.


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[SmootSmack]

The frustration level with RG3 is high within the building, it's pretty high with Kirk too but Gruden and co. feel that's correctable.

Hoping cooler heads prevail as far as RG3 and they see the mistake they could be making in letting him go (even in a trade), but this has been progressively getting worse.

And once he's lost the support of Dan, there's little turning back. Not saying he's lost Dan's support but Snyder's no longer "standing on the table" for him

I suspect as well that the team knows it needs to make a choice "Rob or Kirk" and while Rob won't get you as much as you traded for him, he'll get you a lot more than Kirk

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The frustration level with RG3 is high within the building, it's pretty high with Kirk too but Gruden and co. feel that's correctable.

Hoping cooler heads prevail as far as RG3 and they see the mistake they could be making in letting him go (even in a trade), but this has been progressively getting worse.

And once he's lost the support of Dan, there's little turning back. Not saying he's lost Dan's support but Snyder's no longer "standing on the table" for him

I suspect as well that the team knows it needs to make a choice "Rob or Kirk" and while Rob won't get you as much as you traded for him, he'll get you a lot more than Kirk

How??

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

How??

Lot of distrust/frustration

And each injury just delays the process

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The frustration level with RG3 is high within the building, it's pretty high with Kirk too but Gruden and co. feel that's correctable.

Hoping cooler heads prevail as far as RG3 and they see the mistake they could be making in letting him go (even in a trade), but this has been progressively getting worse.

And once he's lost the support of Dan, there's little turning back. Not saying he's lost Dan's support but Snyder's no longer "standing on the table" for him

I suspect as well that the team knows it needs to make a choice "Rob or Kirk" and while Rob won't get you as much as you traded for him, he'll get you a lot more than Kirk

If you had to put a percentage to it, how much is the frustration for his off the field work (film study, preparation, study habits) vs. on the field (practice habits, game production, lack of improvement) for Griffin?

I've heard the biggest issues with Kirk are not so much the turnovers themselves but the fact that he lacks the guts/confidence/demeanor to bounce back and he gets down in the dumps too quickly. Can't deal with adversity. Any substance to that?

Has it gotten to a Rob vs. Kirk situation? I know it's been festering since the Cleveland game in 2012 and RG felt threatened by Kirk ever since. Do you think/is there a sense in the building that if there wasn't a Kirk or Colt that he would be more relaxed and perform better?

Any thought to bringing in an actual QB coach? McVay and Gruden have other duties and nobody is devoted to coaching up the QB position.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

If you had to put a percentage to it, how much is the frustration for his off the field work (film study, preparation, study habits) vs. on the field (practice habits, game production, lack of improvement) for Griffin?

Percentage wise, I can't really say. but from what I hear it's much more the latter that concerns them

I've heard the biggest issues with Kirk are not so much the turnovers themselves but the fact that he lacks the guts/confidence/demeanor to bounce back and he gets down in the dumps too quickly. Can't deal with adversity. Any substance to that?

Yes, this is true. They didn't like his defeatist attitude. And I hear he started putting a lot of blame behind closed doors (locker room, film sessions) on others. Chalk it up to frustration, but he has to be better than that

Has it gotten to a Rob vs. Kirk situation? I know it's been festering since the Cleveland game in 2012 and RG felt threatened by Kirk ever since. Do you think/is there a sense in the building that if there wasn't a Kirk or Colt that he would be more relaxed and perform better?

They're not pals, but I don't think they hate each other. He'd be more relaxed probably, but not sure he'd perform better. Honestly, and I think I've mentioned it before, what's really overlooked is how valuable Rex Grossman was. His presence the last two years can't be overstated. RG3 literally followed Rex around everywhere his rookie season. And both RG3 and Kirk leaned on Rex a lot for advice. And Rex had a calming effect on both. Even through all the drama last year, Rex helped keep things relatively calm. Now, with him gone it's all blown up. Is that only because Rex is gone? No, and the expectation was by year 3 neither Rob nor Kirk should need someone like Rex, but they also took away the QB coach (though Rob never really got along with Matt LaFleur). People in the organization all love Colt, but he's totally different from Rex Grossman. Rex brings people together, Colt likes solitude

Any thought to bringing in an actual QB coach? McVay and Gruden have other duties and nobody is devoted to coaching up the QB position.

Haven't heard. Think it's ridiculous they don't have one

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Haven't heard. Think it's ridiculous they don't have one

Why don't we have a QB coach? Thought even QB gurus (Reid Martz Jim Harbaugh maybe) had them even just as assistants. Lord knows all our QBs need work.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Why don't we have a QB coach? Thought even QB gurus (Reid Martz Jim Harbaugh maybe) had them even just as assistants. Lord knows all our QBs need work.

Isn't Gruden supposed to be a QB coach/guru?

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Percentage wise, I can't really say. but from what I hear it's much more the latter that concerns them



Yes, this is true. They didn't like his defeatist attitude. And I hear he started putting a lot of blame behind closed doors (locker room, film sessions) on others. Chalk it up to frustration, but he has to be better than that



They're not pals, but I don't think they hate each other. He'd be more relaxed probably, but not sure he'd perform better. Honestly, and I think I've mentioned it before, what's really overlooked is how valuable Rex Grossman was. His presence the last two years can't be overstated. RG3 literally followed Rex around everywhere his rookie season. And both RG3 and Kirk leaned on Rex a lot for advice. And Rex had a calming effect on both. Even through all the drama last year, Rex helped keep things relatively calm. Now, with him gone it's all blown up. Is that only because Rex is gone? No, and the expectation was by year 3 neither Rob nor Kirk should need someone like Rex, but they also took away the QB coach (though Rob never really got along with Matt LaFleur). People in the organization all love Colt, but he's totally different from Rex Grossman. Rex brings people together, Colt likes solitude



Haven't heard. Think it's ridiculous they don't have one

Why not bring back Rex Grossman as a backup Quarterback and unofficial Quarterback coach?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Why not bring back Rex Grossman as a backup Quarterback and unofficial Quarterback coach?

Why in the Hell would we do that?


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