Expectations for the rest of the season...

[Hog1]

......noted
Btw, if you have not had enough of the Dan/Bruce/mgmt/grassy knowl/
Jerry Jones style control conspiracy????
Then you're an idiot as well

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Originally Posted by Hog1

......noted

Btw, if you have not had enough of the Dan/Bruce/mgmt/grassy knowl/

Jerry Jones style control conspiracy????

Then you're an idiot as well

Several posters on this board have alluded to the fact that DS wanted Griff to play. Several posters on this board have alluded to the fact that this sort of thing happens all over the league. Not sure why you would classify the owner and HC not being on the same page as the stuff of conspiracies? Seems pretty normal to me.

[WillH]

Is it possible that Gruden, Bruce, and Danny are on the same page?

I just don't see how Gruden could expect to come into this (or any) head coach position and be able to scrap the expected franchise QB in the first year.

I mean we've heard reports that, he wanted to start Cousins at the beginning of the season, and he wanted to start McCoy last week, but maybe he simply was saying that his opinion is that they provided the best chance of winning right now, and that RG3 had a long way to develop. Does that mean he thought that is what they should be doing? Does it mean that he is in disagreement with the FO? I sure hope not, and I can't believe I'm saying this, but . . . If he is, then I think I would have to side with Danny and Bruce on this one. I'm for the long term success of the team, and clearly RG3 is right now the best shot we have at a franchise QB. He has to play to develop.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by WillH

Is it possible that Gruden, Bruce, and Danny are on the same page?

I just don't see how Gruden could expect to come into this (or any) head coach position and be able to scrap the expected franchise QB in the first year.

I mean we've heard reports that, he wanted to start Cousins at the beginning of the season, and he wanted to start McCoy last week, but maybe he simply was saying that his opinion is that they provided the best chance of winning right now, and that RG3 had a long way to develop. Does that mean he thought that is what they should be doing? Does it mean that he is in disagreement with the FO? I sure hope not, and I can't believe I'm saying this, but . . . If he is, then I think I would have to side with Danny and Bruce on this one. I'm for the long term success of the team, and clearly RG3 is right now the best shot we have at a franchise QB. He has to play to develop.

So if it comes down to Griffin or Gruden, who would stay? Let's say Gruden wants to move on from Griffin, either because of the injury risk or because he eventually decides Griffin will never amount to much, and Snyder and Allen have to make the choice to either fire the new coach or cut the QB they've invested so much in...

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Originally Posted by SirLK26

So if it comes down to Griffin or Gruden, who would stay? Let's say Gruden wants to move on from Griffin, either because of the injury risk or because he eventually decides Griffin will never amount to much, and Snyder and Allen have to make the choice to either fire the new coach or cut the QB they've invested so much in...

I tried to ask SS his opinion on this same thing the other day.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I tried to ask SS his opinion on this same thing the other day.

I don't remember that, but Gruden has yet to prove anything to Snyder. Right now, Griffin is in the driver's seat if choosing one or the other

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't remember that, but Gruden has yet to prove anything to Snyder. Right now, Griffin is in the driver's seat if choosing one or the other

Thanks...it was after you had enlightened me on about a dozen previous questions...i just figured you might have other things to do. Lol.
As I ponder the question there are two basic scenarios:
1) Griffin plays well the rest of the year and both Gruden and Snyder are thrilled.
2) Griffin does not play well the rest of the year. Than what? Does Snyder just give him another offseason to "get it"? Is he still in the driver seat in other words?
There is always the injury scenario but we will leave that alone.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

So if it comes down to Griffin or Gruden, who would stay? Let's say Gruden wants to move on from Griffin, either because of the injury risk or because he eventually decides Griffin will never amount to much, and Snyder and Allen have to make the choice to either fire the new coach or cut the QB they've invested so much in...

Right now, Gruden and Griffin both need to have an opportunity to prove themselves.

I honestly don't think they'd choose Griffin if he was clearly not improving after next year, but, for there to be any argument right now as to whether or not to let Robert play and try to develop is crazy. Also, they don't necessarily need to let either go. If Griffin isn't performing by the end of the year, I think Gruden would be justified in bringing in some competition, and all signs point to this being the plan.

If there is tension / disagreement going on right now though, I think I'd put the blame on Gruden (unless there is something Griffin is doing that we don't know about that has caused Gruden to be soured on him). I mean, has he really given Griffin a legitimate chance to prove himself yet? No, so if he is undermining everyone because he wants a different QB, then he might have to go.

I tend to believe that he is just being straight forward and realistic about the development of his QB's. He thought Cousins was farther along, and he thinks Griffin has a lot to learn, and he will see how things play out. I haven't heard anything that makes me believe that Danny or Bruce have any issue with the way he's handling the situation except that maybe they told him that he has to play Griffin right now, which leads me to believe that it is more likely that they are on the same page then it is that they are at odds.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

So if it comes down to Griffin or Gruden, who would stay? Let's say Gruden wants to move on from Griffin, either because of the injury risk or because he eventually decides Griffin will never amount to much, and Snyder and Allen have to make the choice to either fire the new coach or cut the QB they've invested so much in...

Not saying the front office would think this way, but if I'm in the front office, I have to think of the investment in Griffin already being paid and used. The best time to get rid of Griffin would be before his rookie contract is up. By that point, Griffin is either the franchise quarterback this team has needed, or he's not. I don't think you can blame Gruden either way. Gruden didn't ask for Griffin nor Cousins. I think you allow Gruden the opportunity to go out and find "his guy" in terms of quarterback and see who's best for the position.

[diehardskin2982]

Lets talk about what happens when Griffin succeed and utilizes the both his legs and arm to create wins for the Redskins. Who will be the first to eat crow?

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Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Lets talk about what happens when Griffin succeed and utilizes the both his legs and arm to create wins for the Redskins. Who will be the first to eat crow?

I have certainly said that I do not think Griff will be the future star that we all thought we had in 2012. I will gladly eat every last feather if he proves me wrong.

[Evilgrin]

Whats the point of starting Cousins or McCoy the rest of the year?

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Originally Posted by Evilgrin

Whats the point of starting Cousins or McCoy the rest of the year?

Whats the punchline?

[calia]

I have no idea how long the leash is, but I would have to guess that its length is directly proportional to how well he plays the rest of this season. Show some promise, even if there are hiccups, and then it's pretty long. Have a Dalton-esque performace or two (or get injured again, even if the injury isn't season-ending), I suspect it is fairly short. Personally, I would love to see him light it up and shut up all detractors once and for all.

[calia]

I like Gruden too. Straight shooter without the silly evasive nonsense that Shanny (and Hoodie) pull with the media, which has always struck me as childish. I thought the way he called out the amatuerish reporting was terrific, and it wasn't eye-rolling, evasions -- he took it head on and then moved to the next question.

I also like that he has a sense of humor -- that job has a lot of pressure, and I think being able to chuckle from time to time is going to help against burnout.