Jay Gruden you are our only hope

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Yup doesnt see the field at all. Anybody who doesnt see that is as blind as he is.

The problem is that you assume we think RG3 is the next Joe Montana. Thats not it at all. What we are calling the problem is developing the QB. It doesnt matter who you draft at this point. We wont develop them. You want to draft a few QB's a year and watch them falter for 20 or 30 more years. I want to fix the development problem so we dont have 20 or 30 more years of this. Whether that is with or without RG3, I dont really care. I just want a functional team.

RG3 could have been developed properly and still can. But until we decide that actually developing a QB is more than signing DJ, it wont matter.

And will people stop talking about Colt McCoy's performance against Dallas as anything spectacular. We scored 19 against the Titans and 20 points against Dallas, a worse defense than we scored 26 on the very next week with RG3. Colt loses the minny game as well. The defense showed up against both the titans and cowboys. Surprise.... Defense matters.

RG3 had a bad game against the Bucs, but if we cut everyone that had a bad game against the bucs, then the only members of the Redskins organization that is left is Alfred and the cheerleaders.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

The problem is that you assume we think RG3 is the next Joe Montana. Thats not it at all. What we are calling the problem is developing the QB. It doesnt matter who you draft at this point. We wont develop them. You want to draft a few QB's a year and watch them falter for 20 or 30 more years. I want to fix the development problem so we dont have 20 or 30 more years of this. Whether that is with or without RG3, I dont really care. I just want a functional team.



RG3 could have been developed properly and still can. But until we decide that actually developing a QB is more than signing DJ, it wont matter.



And will people stop talking about Colt McCoy's performance against Dallas as anything spectacular. We scored 19 against the Titans and 20 points against Dallas, a worse defense than we scored 26 on the very next week with RG3. Colt loses the minny game as well. The defense showed up against both the titans and cowboys. Surprise.... Defense matters.



RG3 had a bad game against the Bucs, but if we cut everyone that had a bad game against the bucs, then the only members of the Redskins organization that is left is Alfred and the cheerleaders.

Alfred and the cheerleaders sounds excellent to me! Lol
I completely hear what you are saying. I know that you think he isnt being developed.
What I am saying is that regardless of his athleticism I dont think he has it in him to ever be anything even remotely resembling Joe Montana. What I am saying is that no matter who we bring in to develop him he is what he is. A supreme athlete that will never be a great or even really good passing qb. Maybe one day he will shock me whether it is as a Redskin or not. Who knows? My only point about Colt was that he seemed to have a feel for the offense once he got rolling. I dont think he is the long term answer by any means. If he had Roberts arm strength well than....
I disagree about our inability to develop a qb. It just has to be the rite one. Ramsey, JC - it isnt like they left the Skins and excelled. Who else are we talking about? Brunell - dudes best years were behind him. Jon Beck? Lol. With Robert we finally had a top pick and used it on a qb. He simply isnt what we hoped imo. Huge blunder but one we had to take a shot on. It isnt working. Its that simple. Sucks, but it is what it is. Im wanting to eat crow man. Im starving for a big ole crow sandwich!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I can't believe the overall tone of this thread is supportive of Jay Gruden. He's been terrible.

Griffin has not lived up to his reputation and I'm starting to wonder if he ever will.

But I have not seen Jay Gruden do anything offensively to give us a strategic advantage other than launch it deep to DeSean Jackson. His version of the zone blocking scheme has resulted in sub-par running from Alfred Morris despite running behind mostly the same line as the Shanahans had. If anything this line should be better.

Pierre Garcon has turned from one of the most reliable receivers in the league into a complete afterthought.

Gruden's team was completely unprepared yesterday. And as for the matter of Griffin, his poor development falls at the feet of the head coach, like it or not. He was brought in to get Robert going in the right direction. He's going in the wrong direction.

I wouldn't make any rash moves. I'd keep Jay and Robert together through Robert's rookie contract. But if they don't both get it in gear then I'd completely clean house.

I'm completely unimpressed by Jay Gruden.

Agreed, kinda odd how little heat he's getting. He hasn't done anything to have our support or faith.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Gruden's team was completely unprepared yesterday. And as for the matter of Griffin, his poor development falls at the feet of the head coach, like it or not. He was brought in to get Robert going in the right direction. He's going in the wrong direction.

I'm completely unimpressed by Jay Gruden.

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Agreed, kinda odd how little heat he's getting. He hasn't done anything to have our support or faith.

Seriously? Both of you? How is it Jay's fault that he was strapped with a shit DC leftover from Shanny's regime? How come he's overridden on QB calls on who to play? Why is Gruden getting the blame for Robert's progress? Maybe Jay is teaching him, but he isn't learning shit?

Drama returns to Redskins Park - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN

“Robert had some fundamental flaws,” Gruden said of Griffin’s game Sunday in a 27-7 loss to Tampa Bay. “His footwork was below average. He took three-step drops when he should have taken five. He took a one-step drop when he should have taken three, on a couple occasions, and that can’t happen. He stepped up when he didn’t have to step up and stepped into pressure. He read the wrong side of the field a couple times. So from his basic performance just critiquing Robert it was not even close to being good enough to what we expect from the quarterback position.”

He's being taught properly. It's the QB not doing what he's supposed to do which is the problem.

I will agree with you Matty that Jay probably shouldn't be this upfront in his press conferences. He should take notes from BB on how to do them.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Seriously? Both of you? How is it Jay's fault that he was strapped with a shit DC leftover from Shanny's regime? How come he's overridden on QB calls on who to play? Why is Gruden getting the blame for Robert's progress? Maybe Jay is teaching him, but he isn't learning shit?

Drama returns to Redskins Park - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN




He's being taught properly. It's the QB not doing what he's supposed to do which is the problem.

I will agree with you Matty that Jay probably shouldn't be this upfront in his press conferences. He should take notes from BB on how to do them.

Clearly Jay a) doesn't like RG3, b) doesn't have mich choice in who starts and c) wants to get fired.

Jackson should have had 300 yard 3 td game. In any world but Redskins world you would get benched for playing this basic. RG3 is a dud, no sense in standing by him.

[Avinash_Tyagi]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Seriously? Both of you? How is it Jay's fault that he was strapped with a shit DC leftover from Shanny's regime? How come he's overridden on QB calls on who to play? Why is Gruden getting the blame for Robert's progress? Maybe Jay is teaching him, but he isn't learning shit?

Drama returns to Redskins Park - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN




He's being taught properly. It's the QB not doing what he's supposed to do which is the problem.

I will agree with you Matty that Jay probably shouldn't be this upfront in his press conferences. He should take notes from BB on how to do them.

No gotta disagree

Gruden can't keep discipline in his team, and he doesn't seem to be capable to making adjustments to improve the team's play.

He seems to think that all he needs to do is tell his players to do something and they'll do it.

This unending drama would have never happened under Gibbs

I don't think Gruden is the long term answer as head coach (3 seasons and out I think)

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Seriously? Both of you? How is it Jay's fault that he was strapped with a shit DC leftover from Shanny's regime? How come he's overridden on QB calls on who to play? Why is Gruden getting the blame for Robert's progress? Maybe Jay is teaching him, but he isn't learning shit?

Drama returns to Redskins Park - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN




He's being taught properly. It's the QB not doing what he's supposed to do which is the problem.

I will agree with you Matty that Jay probably shouldn't be this upfront in his press conferences. He should take notes from BB on how to do them.

How do you explain Pierre Garcon going from one of the most reliable receivers in the NFL under the Shanahans to a complete after thought under Gruden? How do you explain the lack of improvement in special teams despite the obvious investment in them in the form of special teams specialists? How do you explain the lack of discipline with penalties, lining up wrong, receivers false starting on their own QB's hard count?

And Cousins. How do you explain him throwing countless INTs? Is he being careless, sure. But his coaches sure didn't make a positive impact.

This crap can't all be on Griffin. It's systemic. Gruden needs to show why he was hired and take this team by the balls and lead it. Like really lead it. He needs to be acting like Bill Parcells if someone pissed in his coffee.

[punch it in]

J is an errand boy sent by grocery clerks to collect a bill. Sorry but that scene from Apocalypse Now came to mind.
I totally agree with you btw.
Edit:meant to quote chicos post above.

[Gmanc711]

I guess I don't see the point in "moving past" Rg3 at this point with the 2 years left on his contract. There isn't (as far as I know) a can't miss guy in the draft, so if they just bring someone else in, it's going to be the same exact problem that every QB we've had for the last 20+ years has had. Until they build the Oline up, we'll continue to suck.

Not saying RG3 isn't a problem right now; but until they invest in the line it will be the same story.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

I guess I don't see the point in "moving past" Rg3 at this point with the 2 years left on his contract. There isn't (as far as I know) a can't miss guy in the draft, so if they just bring someone else in, it's going to be the same exact problem that every QB we've had for the last 20+ years has had. Until they build the Oline up, we'll continue to suck.



Not saying RG3 isn't a problem right now; but until they invest in the line it will be the same story.

You bring in someone who runs a pro style offense. Like Colt did once he shook off the rust against Dallas. No reason we cant bolster the oline thru free agency and the draft. Oh and by bringing in an oline coach who has a clue.
Instead though Snyder will stubbornly let this ship sink while he tries desperately to make Rg-3 the qb of the future. Typical DS crap thats been plaguing us for years. We need to bring in a real GM and give him absolute control over everything football.

[SFREDSKIN]

Everyone says upgrade the OL yet we have 3 3rd rounders sitting on the bench. How about we use them and find out if they can play.

[Kope]

The reason I titled the thread "Jay Gruden you are our only hope" is because I think Gruden has what it takes to win long term, if and only if, he has the balls to make hard decisions (Griffin, Haz, etc). I hope he does, if not, it will be the same thing year after year. Haz is a huge issue with me, he has never had a top defense, by any stat (not just yards)

As for Allen – I have no idea if he or Shanahan is responsible for the roster; I am not sure anyone not in the room really does. I do know we started to address the Oline the last 2 years, so I am willing to wait on another year or two to see if we keep our own drafts or not (Riley, Robinson, Kerrigan, Amerson) and see if any of the O line drafts replace vets in the next year or two. I guess I am saying I am willing to give Allen three years of him running the show to see how it plays out. I am not saying I am optimistic, I am not saying I am not; I just want to see what happens.

At least Special Teams continues to get better (minus Forbath)

As to the Apocalypse Now quoter.....yes this thread is a Star Wars quote.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

I guess I don't see the point in "moving past" Rg3 at this point with the 2 years left on his contract. There isn't (as far as I know) a can't miss guy in the draft, so if they just bring someone else in, it's going to be the same exact problem that every QB we've had for the last 20+ years has had. Until they build the Oline up, we'll continue to suck.

Not saying RG3 isn't a problem right now; but until they invest in the line it will be the same story.

They were talking about RG's contract on ESPN 980 MMQB show. They way I understand it he doesn't have 2 years left. He has one year left (next season) and then the Skins can exercise the option on the 2nd year (2016) or not. If they do the extension the Skins will be on the hook for $18Mil. I think they said this option has to exercised by May 2015 so the remaining games IMO are very important to decide on that option. If the option isnt exercised then at the end of next season RG will be an unrestricted free agent.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

I guess I don't see the point in "moving past" Rg3 at this point with the 2 years left on his contract. There isn't (as far as I know) a can't miss guy in the draft, so if they just bring someone else in, it's going to be the same exact problem that every QB we've had for the last 20+ years has had. Until they build the Oline up, we'll continue to suck.

Not saying RG3 isn't a problem right now; but until they invest in the line it will be the same story.

Cousins and McCoy have played way more games, thrown more passes and have been sacked less. Yes, we need some upgrades, but a lot of this is on Griffin. He's over 30 starts in and still can't recognize a blitz, can't stop holding on the ball and still back peddles when he's pressured.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Cousins and McCoy have played way more games, thrown more passes and have been sacked less. Yes, we need some upgrades, but a lot of this is on Griffin. He's over 30 starts in and still can't recognize a blitz, can't stop holding on the ball and still back peddles when he's pressured.

The guy is playing scared, doesn't want to get injured again. Lack of confidence. OL doesn't help either