Bucs Postgame Thread

[Grimm_Reaper]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The one person who played with heart and had a great game yesterday, Alfmo, will be one person who will be let go or phased out.

Thats how this organization works, we let go of decent talent and focus on guys we will never win with.

Im fucking sick of this organization especially from a front office, management and coaching standpoint.

WE CANT FUCKING DEVELOP OUR TALENT. SOMEONE IN THE FRONT OFFICE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS!!!!!

Im tired of talking about our players, sure we lack talent in some areas, BUT EVERY TEAM DOES!

It all starts with the owner man. Everything comes from the top down. Brian Mitchell is right, until fans stop going to games, buying jerseys, and putting up with the constant bread and circuses under Daniel Snyder, it's going to be the same damn thing year after year after year.

[Coff]

First of all, we're not this bad. We played well the last five weeks, despite going 2-3 in that span (consider the teams we played: Cowboys, the 9-1 Cardinals, the SB Champion Seahawks). So it's a good time to remember we're never as bad as we look the day after a bad loss, nor are we as good as we look the day after a big win.

Secondly, the Griffin-bashing needs to be put into perspective. Yesterday's game included three false start penalties on receivers, numerous occasions when (once again) the secondary strangely didn't cover receivers, a cornerback trip and fall on what should have been an easy pick-six, a red zone fumble, a bizarre pass drop/flip on a routine reception that led to an interception, two missed field goals, etc. I challenge anyone here to find a loss that was such a complete team effort as this one was. So stop blaming one guy for this loss. And remember this, when we do finally run RGIII out of town, the next guy will be no better, just as the previous 17 QBs have not been any better. I understand the psychological need to focus all frustration and anger on one area (in this case QB), because it offers an easily fixable solution, but we do need to ask ourselves whether our team always sucks because our QBs suck, or whether we can never develop decent QBs because our team is dysfunctional and incompetent.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Coff

First of all, we're not this bad. We played well the last five weeks, despite going 2-3 in that span (consider the teams we played: Cowboys, the 9-1 Cardinals, the SB Champion Seahawks). So it's a good time to remember we're never as bad as we look the day after a bad loss, nor are we as good as we look the day after a big win.

Secondly, the Griffin-bashing needs to be put into perspective. Yesterday's game included three false start penalties on receivers, numerous occasions when (once again) the secondary strangely didn't cover receivers, a cornerback trip and fall on what should have been an easy pick-six, a red zone fumble, a bizarre pass drop/flip on a routine reception that led to an interception, two missed field goals, etc. I challenge anyone here to find a loss that was such a complete team effort as this one was. So stop blaming one guy for this loss. And remember this, when we do finally run RGIII out of town, the next guy will be no better, just as the previous 17 QBs have not been any better. I understand the psychological need to focus all frustration and anger on one area (in this case QB), because it offers an easily fixable solution, but we do need to ask ourselves whether our team always sucks because our QBs suck, or whether we can never develop decent QBs because our team is dysfunctional and incompetent.

I agree with everything you wrote except your first sentence. We are this bad.

The Tampa Bay game was just one of many more hopeless days to come here in this gulag archepelago we call Redskins Nation.

[skinsguy]

Guys, think about this for a second. There have only been three names on the offensive line in the past 15 years that have stood out to me. Jon Jansen, Chris Samuels, and Trent Williams. So, three guys in the last 15 years that you could always count on being pretty solid up front.

That tells me the problem is the offensive line has been largely ignored for the entire time Snyder has owned the team (maybe even before then.) Outside of those three guys, the offensive line hasn't been much to write home about.

[SFREDSKIN]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...032315004.html

[Hijinx]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...032315004.html

This guy has no *#$@ brains. You RG3 supporters are absolutely delusional if you think RG3 will ever "develop" into an elite QB. He just doesn't have the right mindset, for starters. Maybe he can put out another facebook post about "haters".

[Avinash_Tyagi]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...032315004.html

Granted it was a bit unleaderlike to call out his team, but he's got a point though

This is a team that sucks across the board

for all the talk of talent and skill on this team, it hasn't shown it, and it can't all be put at the feet of one guy (heck the team lost a bunch of games while he was out)

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Guys, think about this for a second. There have only been three names on the offensive line in the past 15 years that have stood out to me. Jon Jansen, Chris Samuels, and Trent Williams. So, three guys in the last 15 years that you could always count on being pretty solid up front.

That tells me the problem is the offensive line has been largely ignored for the entire time Snyder has owned the team (maybe even before then.) Outside of those three guys, the offensive line hasn't been much to write home about.

That really frosts me because I'm one of those people who believes that a dominant OL is the heart of any dynastic team.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Guys, think about this for a second. There have only been three names on the offensive line in the past 15 years that have stood out to me. Jon Jansen, Chris Samuels, and Trent Williams. So, three guys in the last 15 years that you could always count on being pretty solid up front.

That tells me the problem is the offensive line has been largely ignored for the entire time Snyder has owned the team (maybe even before then.) Outside of those three guys, the offensive line hasn't been much to write home about.

Ignored how? You mean they're drafting the wrong linemen?

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Ignored how? You mean they're drafting the wrong linemen?

I agree with skinsguy. After drafting Jansen #2 in 1999 and Samuels #1 in 2000, Trent Williams is the ONLY offensive lineman drafted in rounds one or two since. In 14 years. Think about that.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Ignored how? You mean they're drafting the wrong linemen?

I mean they're putting everything else first before solidifying the offensive line. In my opinion, the offensive line should be top priority. If it isn't top, first, priority, than anything you do to invest in those skilled positions will be wasted talent. We are seeing this right now. If that isn't true, then the Redskins should be putting up no less than 35 points a ball game with the talent they have at skilled positions on offense. But they're not consistently successful on offense because the protection is shotty.

So, yeah, I think they're drafting the wrong linemen - especially if those draftees can't get off the practice squad without some catastrophe that forces them into the lineup. Outside of Williams, none of those guys have proven to be solid in both run blocking AND pass protection. It's always either/or, or neither. Which means the offense will continue to struggle - which means the defense will have to play more short fields, which leads to more points allowed and fewer scored. That's a recipe for losing.

So yeah, 3 great offensive linemen in 15 years. I'd say the offensive line has most definitely been ignored.

[Starry Plough]

Originally Posted by Coff

First of all, we're not this bad. We played well the last five weeks, despite going 2-3 in that span (consider the teams we played: Cowboys, the 9-1 Cardinals, the SB Champion Seahawks). So it's a good time to remember we're never as bad as we look the day after a bad loss, nor are we as good as we look the day after a big win.

Secondly, the Griffin-bashing needs to be put into perspective. Yesterday's game included three false start penalties on receivers, numerous occasions when (once again) the secondary strangely didn't cover receivers, a cornerback trip and fall on what should have been an easy pick-six, a red zone fumble, a bizarre pass drop/flip on a routine reception that led to an interception, two missed field goals, etc. I challenge anyone here to find a loss that was such a complete team effort as this one was. So stop blaming one guy for this loss. And remember this, when we do finally run RGIII out of town, the next guy will be no better, just as the previous 17 QBs have not been any better. I understand the psychological need to focus all frustration and anger on one area (in this case QB), because it offers an easily fixable solution, but we do need to ask ourselves whether our team always sucks because our QBs suck, or whether we can never develop decent QBs because our team is dysfunctional and incompetent.

I also agree with everything except the first sentence. The sign of a bad team for me, is when another bad team.....nay, one considered worse actually, comes into your house and smacks you around the place in front of your family and friends, before casually walking out again as you sit down bloodied and beaten only to ask anyone if they want a second helping of, I don’t know, biscuits and gravy (I myself sampled this for the first time recently and rather enjoyed it)! What I’m saying is, we are this bad, and ultimately sporadic victories or performances here and there don’t change that if all they count for is a 4 or 5 win season every single year! There is nothing progressive in that! It’s like a sedative. Just a little something that’s enough to keep us rooting for the team whilst we laugh at the Jags or Raiders of this league, when in reality the only thing that separates us from them year in, year out is an extra win or two, likely against those very teams.

But that’s where this team is. Like a much needed dose of feel goods for pretty much the majority of opposition who are lying in the dirt. You’re feeling like c**p? Well don’t get too down because you have the ‘Skins in DC on the schedule! Mark that win next to it and take solace in knowing at least you won’t finish the season 0-16!

Honestly, I can only try and empathise with you guys who have had to endure this for way longer than I have (or way longer than you deserve!), but Jesus Christ does this team suck! I mean, needless to say I’m not for jumping overboard, but like I’m sure has been stated previously countless times, at what point do you start asking when does it improve?! Where is the sense that the ship is being turned around and is in good hands going forward?!

You know, when soccer fans ask me what I enjoy about the NFL, above all I just get on board with the idea that in any season, if a team makes the right roster moves through the draft and FA, and has even something resembling a slightly competent coaching regime, it can go from dead last to something much more respectable and who knows beyond. It’s fair, is what I’m saying. Everyone has a chance to win the SB, in theory. But there has to be signs of positive, forward momentum and it just feels like every time this team has even the slightest hint of that, it manages to intentionally slam the brakes on itself for one reason or another whilst other teams pass it by. It seemingly pi$$es all over that annual opportunity to get better and in doing so, leaves folk asking why they’re investing their time and money in a product which provides so little in return!

I’m sorry guys. I am, really. I hate rants for the sake of ranting and that’s exactly what the above is. I wish I had something better to contribute but.........nope.

Hail!

[Coff]

That said, why not mention a few of the positives? Defensively, this team has played a lot better this year. Hatcher was a great signing, and Amerson and Breeland (despite a lot of rookie hiccups) have played well. Free agent signings have been more successful of late as they have in the past. Think about Hatcher, Djax, Garcon. In the past our big free agent signings have been disastrous. Lately they've been stronger. And we've been finding some talent in the limited draft picks we've had (Breeland, Morris, Williams, etc.). I think if you look closely, you'll see that the talent evaluation on this team has improved over the past few years. That might take a long time to translate into wins (and with this team, there's a good chance it never will), but there are a few bright spots to find here.

[diehardskin2982]

There is a major rift between the O-Line and RG3. They have no trust in each other.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

There is a major rift between the O-Line and RG3. They have no trust in each other.

Doesnt bother me in the slightest because the o line sucks ass and they can all go play in Canada next year for all I care.