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[Redskin Warrior]

It starts with the OL and DL we need to dedicate a draft or two to getting the trenches together. Regardless who plays QB or who the DC is calling plays without good protection and good pressure we will be a losing franchise. There multiple problems beyond RG3 but he has to play better period. Losing Trent today played a huge part in him being comfortable, he is the best player on the OL. No excuses for RG3 but you could see it.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

It starts with the OL and DL we need to dedicate a draft or two to getting the trenches together. Regardless who plays QB or who the DC is calling plays without good protection and good pressure we will be a losing franchise. There multiple problems beyond RG3 but he has to play better period. Losing Trent today played a huge part in him being comfortable, he is the best player on the OL. No excuses for RG3 but you could see it.

I have tried to make this point but it wont get through. QB and Safety are the only positions that matter to most on this board.

People here are saying that spread offense QB's dont develop in the NFL. Thats just flat out wrong. There are plenty that developed properly behind a good OL. There are none that developed properly behind a terrible one.

I have been an RG3 defender, and will still defend him. Having said that, RG3 is already starting to do the same things that Patrick Ramsey did when he was getting killed behind a weak offensive line (jumpy feet, patting the ball like it was a hot potato, locking in on one receiver and praying he would get open). RG3 could have been developed into a quality QB behind a good OL... And Tom Brady could have been ruined behind a bad one.

But hey... Who needs an OL when all it takes is a QB and a safety or two to win the SB.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

I have tried to make this point but it wont get through. QB and Safety are the only positions that matter to most on this board.



People here are saying that spread offense QB's dont develop in the NFL. Thats just flat out wrong. There are plenty that developed properly behind a good OL. There are none that developed properly behind a terrible one.



I have been an RG3 defender, and will still defend him. Having said that, RG3 is already starting to do the same things that Patrick Ramsey did when he was getting killed behind a weak offensive line (jumpy feet, patting the ball like it was a hot potato, locking in on one receiver and praying he would get open). RG3 could have been developed into a quality QB behind a good OL... And Tom Brady could have been ruined behind a bad one.



But hey... Who needs an OL when all it takes is a QB and a safety or two to win the SB.

How do you explain the fact that Griff completely misses (not with his arm, but his effin eyes), wide open wr's alot? The dude doesnt read the field properly whether he has time or not.
Im not going to sit here and say our OL isnt shit because it is. However Im certainly not going to sit here and talk about how Griff is just a guard and a tackle away from being Tom Brady.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by punch it in

How do you explain the fact that Griff completely misses (not with his arm, but his effin eyes), wide open wr's alot? The dude doesnt read the field properly whether he has time or not.
Im not going to sit here and say our OL isnt shit because it is. However Im certainly not going to sit here and talk about how Griff is just a guard and a tackle away from being Tom Brady.

No one is a guard or tackle away from being Tom Brady. It still does not change the fact that new QB's develop better with a better OL. Everyone wants a new QB but why will that matter? It will be the same song and dance that we have dealt with for 20 years.

You cannot develop a good QB with a crappy OL. Why get a new QB only to ruin him as well? We can spend 5 draft picks a year on QB's and still wont find one with the OL that we keep putting out there.

To your opening question. Its very simple.

WE... NEVER... DEVELOPED... HIM... AS... AN... NFL... QB...

Seriously, you guys should go back and look at the great QB's first few years in the league. They missed a crap ton of throws as well, both with their arms and their eyes. The main difference... While they missed them, they had the ability to see the play develop and actually learn something because they had an OL that was competent. Its called developing a QB. We have yet to try it in several decades.

No I dont want a new QB because that QB will fail as well. Only a Brady or Rodgers will have any success on our team, even then, it wont be a SB or deep playoff run. But those guys have already been developed. Luck would flat out suck on our team. Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick wouldnt even be called QB's if they played on our team. None of those three would ever be anything in this league without a team that helped to develop them (and lets face it, Wilson and Kaepernick both suck as anything other than a running QB).

Until we choose to develop a QB properly, the whole get a new QB conversation that we have had for two decades will continue for two more decades. Its a pointless conversation to have. Why people, who claim to know the sport, cant see that is beyond me. Aaron Rodgers wont be a free agent any time soon so developing a QB (You know like GB did, or NE did, or the Colts have done multiple times) is our only option. And that wont happen with Trent Williams being our only good OL.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

No one is a guard or tackle away from being Tom Brady. It still does not change the fact that new QB's develop better with a better OL. Everyone wants a new QB but why will that matter? It will be the same song and dance that we have dealt with for 20 years.

You cannot develop a good QB with a crappy OL. Why get a new QB only to ruin him as well? We can spend 5 draft picks a year on QB's and still wont find one with the OL that we keep putting out there.

To your opening question. Its very simple.

WE... NEVER... DEVELOPED... HIM... AS... AN... NFL... QB...

Seriously, you guys should go back and look at the great QB's first few years in the league. They missed a crap ton of throws as well, both with their arms and their eyes. The main difference... While they missed them, they had the ability to see the play develop and actually learn something because they had an OL that was competent. Its called developing a QB. We have yet to try it in several decades.

No I dont want a new QB because that QB will fail as well. Only a Brady or Rodgers will have any success on our team, even then, it wont be a SB or deep playoff run. But those guys have already been developed. Luck would flat out suck on our team. Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick wouldnt even be called QB's if they played on our team. None of those three would ever be anything in this league without a team that helped to develop them (and lets face it, Wilson and Kaepernick both suck as anything other than a running QB).

Until we choose to develop a QB properly, the whole get a new QB conversation that we have had for two decades will continue for two more decades. Its a pointless conversation to have. Why people, who claim to know the sport, cant see that is beyond me. Aaron Rodgers wont be a free agent any time soon so developing a QB (You know like GB did, or NE did, or the Colts have done multiple times) is our only option. And that wont happen with Trent Williams being our only good OL.

Looks like what I wanted to say has been said. People will never get it man.

[SFREDSKIN]

This is what I think of Griffin's issues:

He hasn't been the same since he got injured:

He's playing scared and lacks confidence/swagger

He could hide his flaws with his speed before, he's slowed down due to injury and doesn't have that option now

Shitty protection from OL

Lack of experience in a pro style offense