Jay Gruden you are our only hope

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

When do we get to the point and realize that Griffin probably isn't good enough? I don't care if you bring back Bill Walsh from the grave, if a guy just isn't good enough then it may be time to go in another direction.

If McCoy or Cousins played yesterday, we don't take all those sacks, we hit some of the open wr's in the intermediate game. Yeah there may have been a couple of picks and what not, but at least we'd have a functional offense where the wr's and TE's can have a chance to make plays. Griffin left so many plays out on the field yesterday simply because he has no idea how to run a pro offense.

Yup doesnt see the field at all. Anybody who doesnt see that is as blind as he is.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Yup doesnt see the field at all. Anybody who doesnt see that is as blind as he is.

The problem is that you assume we think RG3 is the next Joe Montana. Thats not it at all. What we are calling the problem is developing the QB. It doesnt matter who you draft at this point. We wont develop them. You want to draft a few QB's a year and watch them falter for 20 or 30 more years. I want to fix the development problem so we dont have 20 or 30 more years of this. Whether that is with or without RG3, I dont really care. I just want a functional team.

RG3 could have been developed properly and still can. But until we decide that actually developing a QB is more than signing DJ, it wont matter.

And will people stop talking about Colt McCoy's performance against Dallas as anything spectacular. We scored 19 against the Titans and 20 points against Dallas, a worse defense than we scored 26 on the very next week with RG3. Colt loses the minny game as well. The defense showed up against both the titans and cowboys. Surprise.... Defense matters.

RG3 had a bad game against the Bucs, but if we cut everyone that had a bad game against the bucs, then the only members of the Redskins organization that is left is Alfred and the cheerleaders.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

The problem is that you assume we think RG3 is the next Joe Montana. Thats not it at all. What we are calling the problem is developing the QB. It doesnt matter who you draft at this point. We wont develop them. You want to draft a few QB's a year and watch them falter for 20 or 30 more years. I want to fix the development problem so we dont have 20 or 30 more years of this. Whether that is with or without RG3, I dont really care. I just want a functional team.



RG3 could have been developed properly and still can. But until we decide that actually developing a QB is more than signing DJ, it wont matter.



And will people stop talking about Colt McCoy's performance against Dallas as anything spectacular. We scored 19 against the Titans and 20 points against Dallas, a worse defense than we scored 26 on the very next week with RG3. Colt loses the minny game as well. The defense showed up against both the titans and cowboys. Surprise.... Defense matters.



RG3 had a bad game against the Bucs, but if we cut everyone that had a bad game against the bucs, then the only members of the Redskins organization that is left is Alfred and the cheerleaders.

Alfred and the cheerleaders sounds excellent to me! Lol
I completely hear what you are saying. I know that you think he isnt being developed.
What I am saying is that regardless of his athleticism I dont think he has it in him to ever be anything even remotely resembling Joe Montana. What I am saying is that no matter who we bring in to develop him he is what he is. A supreme athlete that will never be a great or even really good passing qb. Maybe one day he will shock me whether it is as a Redskin or not. Who knows? My only point about Colt was that he seemed to have a feel for the offense once he got rolling. I dont think he is the long term answer by any means. If he had Roberts arm strength well than....
I disagree about our inability to develop a qb. It just has to be the rite one. Ramsey, JC - it isnt like they left the Skins and excelled. Who else are we talking about? Brunell - dudes best years were behind him. Jon Beck? Lol. With Robert we finally had a top pick and used it on a qb. He simply isnt what we hoped imo. Huge blunder but one we had to take a shot on. It isnt working. Its that simple. Sucks, but it is what it is. Im wanting to eat crow man. Im starving for a big ole crow sandwich!

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Alfred and the cheerleaders sounds excellent to me! Lol
I completely hear what you are saying. I know that you think he isnt being developed.
What I am saying is that regardless of his athleticism I dont think he has it in him to ever be anything even remotely resembling Joe Montana. What I am saying is that no matter who we bring in to develop him he is what he is. A supreme athlete that will never be a great or even really good passing qb. Maybe one day he will shock me whether it is as a Redskin or not. Who knows? My only point about Colt was that he seemed to have a feel for the offense once he got rolling. I dont think he is the long term answer by any means. If he had Roberts arm strength well than....
I disagree about our inability to develop a qb. It just has to be the rite one. Ramsey, JC - it isnt like they left the Skins and excelled. Who else are we talking about? Brunell - dudes best years were behind him. Jon Beck? Lol. With Robert we finally had a top pick and used it on a qb. He simply isnt what we hoped imo. Huge blunder but one we had to take a shot on. It isnt working. Its that simple. Sucks, but it is what it is. Im wanting to eat crow man. Im starving for a big ole crow sandwich!

With our O line, the right one is either Fran Tarkenton or Doug Flutie. Once you ruin a QB, dont expect him to come back. Once Ramsey and Campbell left our team, It was pretty obvious that they werent going to all of a sudden get it. Although Im not convinced JC would ever be that good. Ramsey I thought could have been a good pocket QB. Not Brady good by any means. Spurrier ruined him by getting him killed, he was never the same, and they rarely are after that.

The only thing this organization has done since RG3 got here is lower the floor, not attempt to reach the ceiling. Until we care about our players reaching their ceiling, nothing else will matter much. I also dont think developing the QB is the only problem. I think picking the right people and developing every position properly is the problem. For as much as Raheem Morris gets talked down on, it seems that 2 of the 4 young ones that I see actually developing are under his charge (Amerson and Breeland with Alfred and Keenan Robinson as the others. Possibly Kerrigan, but he seems to be pulling an Orakpo this year. Be dominant in some games and disappear completely in others).

When Tyler Polumbus is your starting RT for 3 years. The something is wrong. When Tyler Polumbus finally gets sat down and we actually do worse at that position... We are drafting and developing wrong across the board, not just the QB position.