Bucs Postgame Thread

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Coff

First of all, we're not this bad. We played well the last five weeks, despite going 2-3 in that span (consider the teams we played: Cowboys, the 9-1 Cardinals, the SB Champion Seahawks). So it's a good time to remember we're never as bad as we look the day after a bad loss, nor are we as good as we look the day after a big win.

Secondly, the Griffin-bashing needs to be put into perspective. Yesterday's game included three false start penalties on receivers, numerous occasions when (once again) the secondary strangely didn't cover receivers, a cornerback trip and fall on what should have been an easy pick-six, a red zone fumble, a bizarre pass drop/flip on a routine reception that led to an interception, two missed field goals, etc. I challenge anyone here to find a loss that was such a complete team effort as this one was. So stop blaming one guy for this loss. And remember this, when we do finally run RGIII out of town, the next guy will be no better, just as the previous 17 QBs have not been any better. I understand the psychological need to focus all frustration and anger on one area (in this case QB), because it offers an easily fixable solution, but we do need to ask ourselves whether our team always sucks because our QBs suck, or whether we can never develop decent QBs because our team is dysfunctional and incompetent.

I agree with everything you wrote except your first sentence. We are this bad.

The Tampa Bay game was just one of many more hopeless days to come here in this gulag archepelago we call Redskins Nation.

[skinsguy]

Guys, think about this for a second. There have only been three names on the offensive line in the past 15 years that have stood out to me. Jon Jansen, Chris Samuels, and Trent Williams. So, three guys in the last 15 years that you could always count on being pretty solid up front.

That tells me the problem is the offensive line has been largely ignored for the entire time Snyder has owned the team (maybe even before then.) Outside of those three guys, the offensive line hasn't been much to write home about.

[SFREDSKIN]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...032315004.html

[Hijinx]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...032315004.html

This guy has no *#$@ brains. You RG3 supporters are absolutely delusional if you think RG3 will ever "develop" into an elite QB. He just doesn't have the right mindset, for starters. Maybe he can put out another facebook post about "haters".

[Avinash_Tyagi]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...032315004.html

Granted it was a bit unleaderlike to call out his team, but he's got a point though

This is a team that sucks across the board

for all the talk of talent and skill on this team, it hasn't shown it, and it can't all be put at the feet of one guy (heck the team lost a bunch of games while he was out)

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Avinash_Tyagi

Granted it was a bit unleaderlike to call out his team, but he's got a point though

This is a team that sucks across the board

for all the talk of talent and skill on this team, it hasn't shown it, and it can't all be put at the feet of one guy (heck the team lost a bunch of games while he was out)

Then there's more from DeSean:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...162943745.html

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Then there's more from DeSean:



http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...162943745.html

Hope we see some of the turds in the locker room flushed this offseason. Clearly not everyone is on the same page. When DJ is calling guys out that's not good at all.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Hope we see some of the turds in the locker room flushed this offseason. Clearly not everyone is on the same page. When DJ is calling guys out that's not good at all.

Seriously. Seems to me that the locker room culture is one where "I'm good enough" is an acceptable opinion.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Avinash_Tyagi

Granted it was a bit unleaderlike to call out his team, but he's got a point though

This is a team that sucks across the board

for all the talk of talent and skill on this team, it hasn't shown it, and it can't all be put at the feet of one guy (heck the team lost a bunch of games while he was out)

Reading the quotes of the presser, to me it looks like RG3 said "we all suck". He probably could've chosen better words, but whatever.

Outside of D. Jax and Tress Way, no one on this team has played well.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Guys, think about this for a second. There have only been three names on the offensive line in the past 15 years that have stood out to me. Jon Jansen, Chris Samuels, and Trent Williams. So, three guys in the last 15 years that you could always count on being pretty solid up front.

That tells me the problem is the offensive line has been largely ignored for the entire time Snyder has owned the team (maybe even before then.) Outside of those three guys, the offensive line hasn't been much to write home about.

That really frosts me because I'm one of those people who believes that a dominant OL is the heart of any dynastic team.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Guys, think about this for a second. There have only been three names on the offensive line in the past 15 years that have stood out to me. Jon Jansen, Chris Samuels, and Trent Williams. So, three guys in the last 15 years that you could always count on being pretty solid up front.

That tells me the problem is the offensive line has been largely ignored for the entire time Snyder has owned the team (maybe even before then.) Outside of those three guys, the offensive line hasn't been much to write home about.

Ignored how? You mean they're drafting the wrong linemen?

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Ignored how? You mean they're drafting the wrong linemen?

I agree with skinsguy. After drafting Jansen #2 in 1999 and Samuels #1 in 2000, Trent Williams is the ONLY offensive lineman drafted in rounds one or two since. In 14 years. Think about that.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

I agree with skinsguy. After drafting Jansen #2 in 1999 and Samuels #1 in 2000, Trent Williams is the ONLY offensive lineman drafted in rounds one or two since. In 14 years. Think about that.

Not like we were stocking up on OL in the first two rounds before that though

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Not like we were stocking up on OL in the first two rounds before that though

And I will say, the hogs were not a group of first round draft picks when bobby Beathard brought them to Washington. But, he was Bobby freakin' Beathard. The man was legend at finding those great late rounders and free agents. So I understand great offensive linemen aren't always in the first or even second rounds, but the 'skins talent evaluators have to be good enough to recognize where and when to find them. And they have not been successful at those mid to late rounders in terms of the offensive line.

It also has something to do with coaching as well. Some coaches can "coach 'em up" and turn an average linemen into a solid guy, but I haven't seen that so far in recent years. Buges - I thought he did OK with what he had here at last.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

And I will say, the hogs were not a group of first round draft picks when bobby Beathard brought them to Washington. But, he was Bobby freakin' Beathard. The man was legend at finding those great late rounders and free agents. So I understand great offensive linemen aren't always in the first or even second rounds, but the 'skins talent evaluators have to be good enough to recognize where and when to find them. And they have not been successful at those mid to late rounders in terms of the offensive line.

It also has something to do with coaching as well. Some coaches can "coach 'em up" and turn an average linemen into a solid guy, but I haven't seen that so far in recent years. Buges - I thought he did OK with what he had here at last.

Beathard probably had as many garbage picks as gems. But he gave himself many opportunities to find those gems, which maybe is the key