Bucs Postgame Thread

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Ignored how? You mean they're drafting the wrong linemen?

I agree with skinsguy. After drafting Jansen #2 in 1999 and Samuels #1 in 2000, Trent Williams is the ONLY offensive lineman drafted in rounds one or two since. In 14 years. Think about that.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

I agree with skinsguy. After drafting Jansen #2 in 1999 and Samuels #1 in 2000, Trent Williams is the ONLY offensive lineman drafted in rounds one or two since. In 14 years. Think about that.

Not like we were stocking up on OL in the first two rounds before that though

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Not like we were stocking up on OL in the first two rounds before that though

And I will say, the hogs were not a group of first round draft picks when bobby Beathard brought them to Washington. But, he was Bobby freakin' Beathard. The man was legend at finding those great late rounders and free agents. So I understand great offensive linemen aren't always in the first or even second rounds, but the 'skins talent evaluators have to be good enough to recognize where and when to find them. And they have not been successful at those mid to late rounders in terms of the offensive line.

It also has something to do with coaching as well. Some coaches can "coach 'em up" and turn an average linemen into a solid guy, but I haven't seen that so far in recent years. Buges - I thought he did OK with what he had here at last.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

And I will say, the hogs were not a group of first round draft picks when bobby Beathard brought them to Washington. But, he was Bobby freakin' Beathard. The man was legend at finding those great late rounders and free agents. So I understand great offensive linemen aren't always in the first or even second rounds, but the 'skins talent evaluators have to be good enough to recognize where and when to find them. And they have not been successful at those mid to late rounders in terms of the offensive line.

It also has something to do with coaching as well. Some coaches can "coach 'em up" and turn an average linemen into a solid guy, but I haven't seen that so far in recent years. Buges - I thought he did OK with what he had here at last.

Beathard probably had as many garbage picks as gems. But he gave himself many opportunities to find those gems, which maybe is the key

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Beathard probably had as many garbage picks as gems. But he gave himself many opportunities to find those gems, which maybe is the key

He sure did. Anyone remember Tory Nixon?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

He sure did. Anyone remember Tory Nixon?

Good memory with Tory Nixon. And Beathard missed on many others. But, as SS indicated, he tended to hold on to draft picks and trade back, thus giving himself more chances for hits. Darth Hoody does the same in New England.

We don't develop our draft picks. Coaching failures.

Plus we traded three #1's and a #2 for a QB who lacks a clock in his head.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

He sure did. Anyone remember Tory Nixon?

Nixon Gets a Second Chance With 49ers : Cornerback Was Top Pick of Redskins, but He Didn't Measure Up - Los Angeles Times

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Nixon Gets a Second Chance With 49ers : Cornerback Was Top Pick of Redskins, but He Didn't Measure Up - Los Angeles Times

Lasted with the Niners long enough to get a Super Bowl ring (1988). Now the head of a bank in California.

https://www.calbanktrust.com/about-u...ornia-division

The more you know.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Beathard probably had as many garbage picks as gems. But he gave himself many opportunities to find those gems, which maybe is the key

And maybe it could be, simply, that the front office just hasn't given themselves enough opportunity (because of cap space, cap penalties, lack of high round picks) to find those gems as well. I'd love to think it's simply a lack of opportunity - but I think it's more than just a lack of opportunity.