Expectations for the rest of the season...

[punch it in]

Also shouldnt the polished superbowl winning coach be able to turn garbage into gold sooner than the rook? So again Shanny - the accomplished and polished super bowl winner needed five years to fix things. Gruden who inherited as big a pile of crap Shanny did is supposed to do it in ten weeks? Makes no sense.

[irish]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Also shouldnt the polished superbowl winning coach be able to turn garbage into gold sooner than the rook? So again Shanny - the accomplished and polished super bowl winner needed five years to fix things. Gruden who inherited as big a pile of crap Shanny did is supposed to do it in ten weeks? Makes no sense.

I hope this doesnt come as a shock but its going to take longer than 5 years to fix this mess.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by irish

I hope this doesnt come as a shock but its going to take longer than 5 years to fix this mess.

Lol. Probably but my point was just that the first year headcoach facing basically the same mess that the established one did should be afforded the same honeymoon period.

[irish]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Lol. Probably but my point was just that the first year headcoach facing basically the same mess that the established one did should be afforded the same honeymoon period.

Without a doubt one of the top 2 reasons the Skins are such a mess is the coaching carousel. They showed on tv on Sun that the Skins have had 7 coaches since Y2K. Its impossible to ever establish any kind of consistency when the system is changing so often. Successful teams dont change coaches every couple of years.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by irish

Without a doubt one of the top 2 reasons the Skins are such a mess is the coaching carousel. They showed on tv on Sun that the Skins have had 7 coaches since Y2K. Its impossible to ever establish any kind of consistency when the system is changing so often. Successful teams dont change coaches every couple of years.

Absolutely. While coaches do tend to have some say in talent options, ultimately, they have to coach the talent the front office brings in. So, in my opinion, if anything needs constant change until the right people are in the right positions, it should be the front office. The coach deserves at least two seasons. If there are no signs of improvement in season two, then can him. But to throw all of this at the feet of Jay Gruden, and the first season isn't even over yet, is a bit ridiculous. Sure, he shoulders the blame, he's the head coach. But, if he is to be fired after just one season, then the owner had better send pink slips to the rest of the coaches, the front office staff, the waterboy, the trainers, Skinsguy, everybody! Because 15 years of constant losing (save for a season or two) is more than an issue with the head coach. I understand that the front office is not the same front office as to when Vinny Cerrato was here, but other than the money part of player contracts, the product has not improved at all.

And just like what Brian Mitchell said, until the fans stop supporting this team by throwing their hard earned money at this mess, the message is never going to get through to the owner. It is about time the fans demand a better product, not just hope for it.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Absolutely. While coaches do tend to have some say in talent options, ultimately, they have to coach the talent the front office brings in. So, in my opinion, if anything needs constant change until the right people are in the right positions, it should be the front office. The coach deserves at least two seasons. If there are no signs of improvement in season two, then can him. But to throw all of this at the feet of Jay Gruden, and the first season isn't even over yet, is a bit ridiculous. Sure, he shoulders the blame, he's the head coach. But, if he is to be fired after just one season, then the owner had better send pink slips to the rest of the coaches, the front office staff, the waterboy, the trainers, Skinsguy, everybody! Because 15 years of constant losing (save for a season or two) is more than an issue with the head coach. I understand that the front office is not the same front office as to when Vinny Cerrato was here, but other than the money part of player contracts, the product has not improved at all.

And just like what Brian Mitchell said, until the fans stop supporting this team by throwing their hard earned money at this mess, the message is never going to get through to the owner. It is about time the fans demand a better product, not just hope for it.

2 seasons is not even close to enough time to know if a coach will work out.

The sad part is that this new front office isnt really doing any better than Vinny. Cerrato.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by irish

2 seasons is not even close to enough time to know if a coach will work out.

The sad part is that this new front office isnt really doing any better than Vinny. Cerrato.

True on both counts!

[sandtrapjack]

Look at it this way. If Washington was in the NFC South, they'd be right in the thick of the division race.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Look at it this way. If Washington was in the NFC South, they'd be right in the thick of the division race.

Look at it this way, if the Cowboys would have beaten Washington on Monday night, they would have sole possession of first place in the NFC East.

Why are you showing up now?? Just to troll??

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Absolutely. While coaches do tend to have some say in talent options, ultimately, they have to coach the talent the front office brings in. So, in my opinion, if anything needs constant change until the right people are in the right positions, it should be the front office. The coach deserves at least two seasons. If there are no signs of improvement in season two, then can him. But to throw all of this at the feet of Jay Gruden, and the first season isn't even over yet, is a bit ridiculous. Sure, he shoulders the blame, he's the head coach. But, if he is to be fired after just one season, then the owner had better send pink slips to the rest of the coaches, the front office staff, the waterboy, the trainers, Skinsguy, everybody! Because 15 years of constant losing (save for a season or two) is more than an issue with the head coach. I understand that the front office is not the same front office as to when Vinny Cerrato was here, but other than the money part of player contracts, the product has not improved at all.

And just like what Brian Mitchell said, until the fans stop supporting this team by throwing their hard earned money at this mess, the message is never going to get through to the owner. It is about time the fans demand a better product, not just hope for it.

It will never happen. They know how to get the fanbase excited. They'll sign more free agents, probably will overpay for Suh, the fans will get jacked up and everyone will be sucked right back in. It happens every year.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

It will never happen. They know how to get the fanbase excited. They'll sign more free agents, probably will overpay for Suh, the fans will get jacked up and everyone will be sucked right back in. It happens every year.

You're absolutely right! Every year I say I'm not throwing money I don't have to NFL Sunday Ticket to watch the 'skins, yet every year I do it. Of course this year, I'm disconnecting from DirecTV as soon as the season is over with.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Lol. Probably but my point was just that the first year headcoach facing basically the same mess that the established one did should be afforded the same honeymoon period.

NFW! I'm too old for this shit. I might die before we become winners. At this point in my life, I wouldn't give Belichick more than two years.

BTW, the established NFL HC has earned a longer contract than the rookie because he has proven he can do the job, whereas the rookie has not yet proven himself as an NFL HC. That's why so many companies have probationary periods for new hires.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

NFW! I'm too old for this shit. I might die before we become winners. At this point in my life, I wouldn't give Belichick more than two years.



BTW, the established NFL HC has earned a longer contract than the rookie because he has proven he can do the job, whereas the rookie has not yet proven himself as an NFL HC. That's why so many companies have probationary periods for new hires.

Im not saying they should have given him a five year contract. Far from it. Of course Gruden has to make his bones.
However to expect him to make a 3-13 team into something we can all be proud of in ten weeks with one draft where we didnt even have a first round pick with THREE different qb's starting in such a short time and the most horrible DC in the league(that he had nothing to do with is ludicrous!
Edit: I agree with Matty that he has not shown enough even under these circumstances but the circumstances outweigh his lack of show imo.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Im not saying they should have given him a five year contract. Far from it. Of course Gruden has to make his bones.
However to expect him to make a 3-13 team into something we can all be proud of in ten weeks with one draft where we didnt even have a first round pick with THREE different qb's starting in such a short time and the most horrible DC in the league(that he had nothing to do with is ludicrous!
Edit: I agree with Matty that he has not shown enough even under these circumstances but the circumstances outweigh his lack of show imo.

What you say makes sense and I'm trying to not pick on Jay Gruden who was handed a huge task and who does need at least two years before he can be fairly evaluated.

My problem is that I don't have any confidence in the entire cast of characters from Tampa Bay who are now running this club - none of them, from Bruce Allen on down. For goodness sakes, they even hired Doug Williams for some inexplicable reason. If Snyder was going to hire a bunch of people from one organization, then he should have at least picked a good organization.

Unless the Skins show significant improvement by the end of next year, I would like to see the entire Tampa Bay fraternity gone. And if the rest of them go, then poor Jay may have to go with his fraternity brothers, whether that's fair or not.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

What you say makes sense and I'm trying to not pick on Jay Gruden who was handed a huge task and who does need at least two years before he can be fairly evaluated.



My problem is that I don't have any confidence in the entire cast of characters from Tampa Bay who are now running this club - none of them, from Bruce Allen on down. For goodness sakes, they even hired Doug Williams for some inexplicable reason. If Snyder was going to hire a bunch of people from one organization, then he should have at least picked a good organization.



Unless the Skins show significant improvement by the end of next year, I would like to see the entire Tampa Bay fraternity gone. And if the rest of them go, then poor Jay may have to go with his fraternity brothers, whether that's fair or not.

Agree 1000%. Allen sucks. Probably should have mentioned him as yet another problem a first year HC has to deal with.